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Old 07-31-2019, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
Nope, there’s such a thing as intent.
You’re in uniform, at an airport and you’re scheduled for a trip....bring your overnight bag and you’re trying to get to the airplane...that’s intent.
I thought intent occurs after crossing the threshold of the aircraft door.

He could have called in sick (and should have).

The bigger issue is does he have a problem and should he have been getting help?

I hope his life gets in order.
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Old 07-31-2019, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
Nope, there’s such a thing as intent.
You’re in uniform, at an airport and you’re scheduled for a trip....bring your overnight bag and you’re trying to get to the airplane...that’s intent.
Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
A good lawyer could probably argue that he was going to call in sick and not actually operate the aircraft. Not sure how that would turn out though. I don't think this belongs in the "tool of the day" thread, the guy seems like he has a problem and might lose his career. It's more sad than anything.
That alibi has been used successfully, and there's no reason it can't be used again. Just say you were undecided and were going to self-evaluate right before performing any duties.

It's beyond reasonable doubt, like I said this is why they normally arrest pilots after they board... open and shut. TSA and airport cops should know that...

Does sound like he has a problem if he was in possession of an open bottle, in my experience with crews on a trip that's always the sign of a serious drinker. Sealed bottle that you bought on the road to take home, that's fine.

But he's in trouble with DL and likely the FAA for sure, HIMS best case.
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Old 08-01-2019, 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
But he's in trouble with DL and likely the FAA for sure, HIMS best case.
I would agree with DL... the FAA??? Lawyers will put that issue to bed. Repatriation with DL after HIMS, let alone employment with another carrier??? I’m sure the individual will gain employment in another field of endeavor other than aviation.
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Old 08-01-2019, 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
That alibi has been used successfully, and there's no reason it can't be used again. Just say you were undecided and were going to self-evaluate right before performing any duties.

It's beyond reasonable doubt, like I said this is why they normally arrest pilots after they board... open and shut. TSA and airport cops should know that...
Self evaluate? Where?
At the hold short line? The first waypoint on the SID?
Truth or Consequences VOR?

We all make mistakes, some are more serious then others. Some we get away with and some we don’t.
He had enough opportunity to report unfit for duty.
He could have reversed course in the jetbridge. He didn’t.
Over and done with. Goodbye. Next applicant please.
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Old 08-01-2019, 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
A good lawyer could probably argue that he was going to call in sick and not actually operate the aircraft. Not sure how that would turn out though. I don't think this belongs in the "tool of the day" thread, the guy seems like he has a problem and might lose his career. It's more sad than anything.
It definately belongs in tool of the day. We all know the obvious rule of no drinking and flying. Its things like this that make automated flight decks more appealing to airlines and gives them more excuses to look into getting rid of us. Yeah yeah alcoholism is a disease I've heard it before. He had enough common sense to leave the TSA line so he should have enough common sense to call in sick. The victim card is used too much these days. Have to be responsible for your own decisions.
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Old 08-01-2019, 03:32 AM
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Self evaluation?
Self immolation is more like it.
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Old 08-01-2019, 06:56 AM
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I am in no way justifying his actions, but nothing in the article states that he was actually operating the flight. He might have been commuting, non reving, or on a deadhead.
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Old 08-01-2019, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by captjns
I would agree with DL... the FAA??? Lawyers will put that issue to bed. Repatriation with DL after HIMS, let alone employment with another carrier??? I’m sure the individual will gain employment in another field of endeavor other than aviation.
Getting back to flying after being arrested like this isn’t impossible. The fact his name made it to the media is going to be his biggest obstacle.
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Old 08-01-2019, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
Nope, there’s such a thing as intent.
You’re in uniform, at an airport and you’re scheduled for a trip....bring your overnight bag and you’re trying to get to the airplane...that’s intent.
Maybe he was heading to his chief pilot office to self report and enter the program after finally realizing he was out of control. Was that his intent? Sure hope so.
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Old 08-01-2019, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by PhantomHawk
Getting back to flying after being arrested like this isn’t impossible. The fact his name made it to the media is going to be his biggest obstacle.
I would think his PRIA would be a force to be reckoned with.
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