How many hours are fake?
10-13-2005, 04:38 PM
#31
Self Employed.
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Corporate Pilot
Posts: 7,119
Tomcat
Tomcat,
I understand. I get what you are saying. I just disagree with it, and wonder how you have been able to maintain your boy scout attitude all this time. Perhaps your experience is different from others. From your own resume it sounds like you have had a well sculpted career. Good for you. However, most don't have it so good.
SkyHigh
I understand. I get what you are saying. I just disagree with it, and wonder how you have been able to maintain your boy scout attitude all this time. Perhaps your experience is different from others. From your own resume it sounds like you have had a well sculpted career. Good for you. However, most don't have it so good.
SkyHigh
10-13-2005, 05:21 PM
#32
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2005
Position: 320B
Posts: 511
SkyHigh,
I've been lucky and I've had my share hard times as well... Lost 20 of my freinds in the 10 years I flew off of carriers in the Navy. 9 months of unemployment after leaving the Navy as an F-14 pilot then got a job as a flight instructor making about $900-$1000/month (I had a blast instructing). I've been in a corporate flight department as the 3rd pilot and flew 42 out of 45 days while the cheif pilot and other pilot rotated days off. Almost had a mid-air with United 175 (<500' manuvering out of his way) as he started his attack run on the world trade center,. Lost 4 friends that day. I was furloughed 8 months later for 2 1/2 years and have been back on the line for 10 months and my company just went bankrupt. I expect to furloughed again in the next few months. Through it all I still love to fly. I've seen guys cut corners and I've seen guys get killed. I may not be flying a 777 around the world right now and pulling down $300k, but I know what I've done and what kind of man I am. I've lost many things in my life, but I haven't lost my integrity, no man can take that from me and that will make my shave at 0300 tomorrow a little easier on the way to go do what I love to do.
You see it's really easy..... I would still love what I do whether flying a F-14 over the beautiful blue Southern Pacific or a C185 delivering relief supplies in Africa...... That's just me. Karma! You can do it Skyhigh, no shortcuts required. Tomcat
Oh, and I have never been accused of being a boy scout.... I'm an aging warrior and have always been a little bit of a wildman, I'm just straight forwand and to the point.
I've been lucky and I've had my share hard times as well... Lost 20 of my freinds in the 10 years I flew off of carriers in the Navy. 9 months of unemployment after leaving the Navy as an F-14 pilot then got a job as a flight instructor making about $900-$1000/month (I had a blast instructing). I've been in a corporate flight department as the 3rd pilot and flew 42 out of 45 days while the cheif pilot and other pilot rotated days off. Almost had a mid-air with United 175 (<500' manuvering out of his way) as he started his attack run on the world trade center,. Lost 4 friends that day. I was furloughed 8 months later for 2 1/2 years and have been back on the line for 10 months and my company just went bankrupt. I expect to furloughed again in the next few months. Through it all I still love to fly. I've seen guys cut corners and I've seen guys get killed. I may not be flying a 777 around the world right now and pulling down $300k, but I know what I've done and what kind of man I am. I've lost many things in my life, but I haven't lost my integrity, no man can take that from me and that will make my shave at 0300 tomorrow a little easier on the way to go do what I love to do.
You see it's really easy..... I would still love what I do whether flying a F-14 over the beautiful blue Southern Pacific or a C185 delivering relief supplies in Africa...... That's just me. Karma! You can do it Skyhigh, no shortcuts required. Tomcat
Oh, and I have never been accused of being a boy scout.... I'm an aging warrior and have always been a little bit of a wildman, I'm just straight forwand and to the point.
Last edited by Tomcat; 10-13-2005 at 05:29 PM.
10-13-2005, 08:02 PM
#33
Self Employed.
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Corporate Pilot
Posts: 7,119
Bravo Tomcat
Tomcat,
My hats off to you. Keep after it. I have been hammering away at this career for almost 20 years now and mostly have hard times to show for it. I've lost my share of friends as well. Been unemployed or underemployed for too long. I use to love flying but not anymore. Tomorrow I'll sleep in to 5:00 and mostly thank God I don't have to squeeze into another boredom tube.
Skyhigh
My hats off to you. Keep after it. I have been hammering away at this career for almost 20 years now and mostly have hard times to show for it. I've lost my share of friends as well. Been unemployed or underemployed for too long. I use to love flying but not anymore. Tomorrow I'll sleep in to 5:00 and mostly thank God I don't have to squeeze into another boredom tube.
Skyhigh
10-14-2005, 06:16 PM
#34
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2005
Position: 320B
Posts: 511
Hang tough Skyhigh. A Navy SEAL's saying is "the only easy day was yesterday". I fully expect to among the unemployed soon. The industry is not what it once was and is in total upheaval. I still enjoy the flying. Flew Salt Lake-Cincinatti-New Orleans-Cincinatti today. It was a long day but I took the time to enjoy the flying. Hope things get better for you. Respectfully, Tomcat
10-27-2005, 12:53 PM
#35
Legend in my own Mind....
Joined APC: Feb 2005
Position: Hey Cappy, where are we?
Posts: 114
No fake hours here....
Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Tomcat,
My hats off to you. Keep after it. I have been hammering away at this career for almost 20 years now and mostly have hard times to show for it. I've lost my share of friends as well. Been unemployed or underemployed for too long. I use to love flying but not anymore. Tomorrow I'll sleep in to 5:00 and mostly thank God I don't have to squeeze into another boredom tube.
Skyhigh
My hats off to you. Keep after it. I have been hammering away at this career for almost 20 years now and mostly have hard times to show for it. I've lost my share of friends as well. Been unemployed or underemployed for too long. I use to love flying but not anymore. Tomorrow I'll sleep in to 5:00 and mostly thank God I don't have to squeeze into another boredom tube.
Skyhigh
Hang in there,
Jet
Last edited by Jetpilot; 10-27-2005 at 12:58 PM.
10-27-2005, 01:52 PM
#36
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Joined APC: Apr 2005
Position: Glass
Posts: 254
fake hours
i am sure we all have an interesting story or two about someone who has faked hours, but those who want to see someone suffer for doing it will appreciate this one...
i walk into the flight ops. office at a school/charter operation that i was attending and all of a sudden i hear a pretty loud argument.. one man was applying for a job for the 135 operation and apparently was showing fake hours in his book... the person interviewing him, the owner, is part of the area's FSDO and was obviously not in a good mood when he showed the perspective employee the door... days later, i asked about the incident and it turns out that the applicant logged hours with the tail number matching the ones owned by the school.. the owner went and checked his account records and this guys name (or money for the rental) was no where to be found.. turns out he faked close to 80 hours of multi and 30 of single, just to get that job... im pretty sure he is out of flying
on a personal note, i think faking hours is bull**** because the hours needed now are so little compared to other times.. years ago when you needed 1800 hours to get a regional job, it was easier to hide 75 here or there, but now, if you have 500TT and 100 are fake, especially the multi, it WILL show up in a simulator.. besides, IMO, you are putting not only your passengers at risk each time you fly in a position you didnt earn, but you could kill yourself... oh and lastly, anybody on here that has done this and is holding the line, you should kick yourself in the nuts and apologize to the hard working pilots that are begging for the job you cheated to get
i walk into the flight ops. office at a school/charter operation that i was attending and all of a sudden i hear a pretty loud argument.. one man was applying for a job for the 135 operation and apparently was showing fake hours in his book... the person interviewing him, the owner, is part of the area's FSDO and was obviously not in a good mood when he showed the perspective employee the door... days later, i asked about the incident and it turns out that the applicant logged hours with the tail number matching the ones owned by the school.. the owner went and checked his account records and this guys name (or money for the rental) was no where to be found.. turns out he faked close to 80 hours of multi and 30 of single, just to get that job... im pretty sure he is out of flying
on a personal note, i think faking hours is bull**** because the hours needed now are so little compared to other times.. years ago when you needed 1800 hours to get a regional job, it was easier to hide 75 here or there, but now, if you have 500TT and 100 are fake, especially the multi, it WILL show up in a simulator.. besides, IMO, you are putting not only your passengers at risk each time you fly in a position you didnt earn, but you could kill yourself... oh and lastly, anybody on here that has done this and is holding the line, you should kick yourself in the nuts and apologize to the hard working pilots that are begging for the job you cheated to get
10-27-2005, 02:20 PM
#37
Chief Jeppesen Updater
Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: Executive Transport Driver
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Skyhigh, here's some thoughts for you- I know that two of my past employers did background checks to verify as much flying as possible (for instance, one employer would look up random N-numbers in the FAA database to see who owned the planes and compare them with applicant answers... if there was a discrepancy, it had to be solved before an offer was made).
My other employer, if they found proof that an applicant had falsified a log, not only would they not hire the person and ban them from interviewing again, they would forward the results of their investigation to other companies in the area.
Don't do it... it's just plain dumb. But even more than that, it is FALSIFICATION OF A FEDERAL DOCUMENT. Yes, the logbook is considered a federal record (since you are required to log time as a record of currency). Not logging time is fine, but logging extra time can land you in hot water with the FAA if they catch you. I personally know of one pilot that LOST HIS CERTIFICATE after he was ramp checked. The inspector noticed that the pilot had logged time in THE PLANE OWNED BY THE INSPECTOR. Not exactly a situation I would want to be in.
Stick with it- I know it sucks to see some folks "squeeze through" the system while others (like you) don't make the cut. Trust me- your day will come. Besides, right now life at the airlines is leaving something to be desired. ~J
My other employer, if they found proof that an applicant had falsified a log, not only would they not hire the person and ban them from interviewing again, they would forward the results of their investigation to other companies in the area.
Don't do it... it's just plain dumb. But even more than that, it is FALSIFICATION OF A FEDERAL DOCUMENT. Yes, the logbook is considered a federal record (since you are required to log time as a record of currency). Not logging time is fine, but logging extra time can land you in hot water with the FAA if they catch you. I personally know of one pilot that LOST HIS CERTIFICATE after he was ramp checked. The inspector noticed that the pilot had logged time in THE PLANE OWNED BY THE INSPECTOR. Not exactly a situation I would want to be in.
Stick with it- I know it sucks to see some folks "squeeze through" the system while others (like you) don't make the cut. Trust me- your day will come. Besides, right now life at the airlines is leaving something to be desired. ~J
10-27-2005, 06:50 PM
#40
APC co-founder
Joined APC: Feb 2005
Position: B777
Posts: 5,853
Originally Posted by nw320driver
This thread reminds me of the The cadet honor code: I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do. I guess that about sums it up...............
Dead on. Would you really want to put your family on a jet with a guy who lied his way into the job at the helm.
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