Top Ten Reasons to Pilot for JetBlue
03-29-2007, 09:36 AM
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03-29-2007, 11:20 AM
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Who says I'm against Unionization. I'd love to see B6 in ALPA. Probably won't happen because most of the furloughees flying for B6 blame ALPA instead of the local MECs who put them there.
That said, an in-house Union would be spectacular...JBPA members would be as welcome on my jumpseat as SWAPA members are.
My point was that the indivdual service contract is an excellent way to remove Union organizers from your property without having to resort to firing them. Just don't renew their contracts.
You know, its amazing to me how many supposedly "educated" pilots on this board cannot read a simple post for comprehension. I guess that comes from automatically assuming what is contained in the post and letting your emotions get the best of you.
That said, an in-house Union would be spectacular...JBPA members would be as welcome on my jumpseat as SWAPA members are.
My point was that the indivdual service contract is an excellent way to remove Union organizers from your property without having to resort to firing them. Just don't renew their contracts.
You know, its amazing to me how many supposedly "educated" pilots on this board cannot read a simple post for comprehension. I guess that comes from automatically assuming what is contained in the post and letting your emotions get the best of you.
03-29-2007, 07:44 PM
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Do forget dergualation of 1978 by Ronald Reagan . I think the unions could of kept together if there were not so many non union members willing to work under industry standard. GET the big pic dude
03-29-2007, 09:50 PM
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I find it humorous that any airline pilot (regardless of carrier) would say that any one company is lowering the bar. From my perspective, all airline pilots have lowered the bar over the past 3 years.
I've seen airline guys pay for corporate type ratings, and then low ball established contract guys (sometimes by more than $500/day), just to "get in the door."
As far as pay per seat or pay per flight hour, I blow any of you out of the water... and I'm flying a SLOWTATION!
The negativity around here is getting tiresome. We can poke fun at each other in good humor, but some people take things way too far and way over the top. The truth is that companies will pay what the market can bear. I don't blame JetBlue or Mesa pilots for working for less than other carriers. I blame the national unions for allowing it to happen in the first place.
Until we as a profession can realize our worth (both individually and collectively), there will always be a "new player" with "great potential" that picks up low time/experience players for sub industry pay/conditions.
I've seen airline guys pay for corporate type ratings, and then low ball established contract guys (sometimes by more than $500/day), just to "get in the door."
As far as pay per seat or pay per flight hour, I blow any of you out of the water... and I'm flying a SLOWTATION!
The negativity around here is getting tiresome. We can poke fun at each other in good humor, but some people take things way too far and way over the top. The truth is that companies will pay what the market can bear. I don't blame JetBlue or Mesa pilots for working for less than other carriers. I blame the national unions for allowing it to happen in the first place.
Until we as a profession can realize our worth (both individually and collectively), there will always be a "new player" with "great potential" that picks up low time/experience players for sub industry pay/conditions.
A few good points, however, its a problem that feeds on itself. As far as the Legacy ALPA MEC's go I was saddend to see DAL ALPA finally give in, they were the last hold outs. Then FDX and UPS were up against quite possibly the worst beating the profession has ever taken. I cant speak for FDX, but at UPS I feel we could have done much better without an effed up union leadership and some collective nuts. However the nature of most pilot groups is that they dont want to hang their ass and their family's asses so far out on a limb in negotiations. Its really too bad, but thats the way it is, everyone has thier price. So pilots at multi billion dollar profit companies were negatively affected also. But, ce la vie. It will only get better when supply and demand dictates IMO and has nothing to do with "certain companies" lowering the bar. Its simple economics IMO.
I'm happy for you that your pay "blows everyone out of the water." Maybe you could negotiate our next contract.
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03-30-2007, 06:12 AM
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SkyHigh
You guys should have more respect for SkyHigh.
I made the sacrifice and had the nuts to say "NO" to more low paying and humiliating airline jobs. I am on personal strike until I am presented with a job that is suitable for my income and lifestyle needs. (aka Alaska Airlines)
The only chance the industry has is if a few thousand more pilots did the same. The problem is that they keep making new ones every 60 days.
Pilots really don't have much to stand upon.
SkyHigh
I made the sacrifice and had the nuts to say "NO" to more low paying and humiliating airline jobs. I am on personal strike until I am presented with a job that is suitable for my income and lifestyle needs. (aka Alaska Airlines)
The only chance the industry has is if a few thousand more pilots did the same. The problem is that they keep making new ones every 60 days.
Pilots really don't have much to stand upon.
SkyHigh
03-30-2007, 06:34 AM
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Thank you for your example.
03-30-2007, 07:23 AM
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Thanks man
Actually, I DO have a load of respect for you. You are evidence that pilots can actually make a living outside a cockpit. Of course, it may take some effort and the guts to go get a real job, but it can be done WITHOUT stabbing the rest of the industry in the back.
Thank you for your example.
Thank you for your example.
As you may know it causes me great pain everyday to have my Alaska Airlines dream go unfulfilled but it hurts much less than if I were a pilot for Allegiant or Mesa falsely trying to keep the dream alive at great personal expense.Skyhigh
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