Changing the Beard Rule
02-21-2022, 05:42 AM
#291
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Don't care about the beard issue myself, but that attitude really holds us back. Personally, I prefer the culture of airline pilots today more than when I started. The attitude you have is the same one that shamed pilots for getting rollaboard bags instead of carrying a suitcase, using VNAV rather than mental math, or using speedbrakes to help ATC. Like it or not, the airline pilot community is becoming more diverse. Military grooming standards from the 1960s aren't always going to make sense today.
I also do not want to pay for someone else's beard privilege, but they are more than welcome to it if they can get policy relief outside of section six.
02-21-2022, 07:00 AM
#292
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We can’t draft people to fly on our aircraft. Let’s say that things HAVE changed, and the whole military appearance thing is only an issue with 10-15% of our CUSTOMERS. Anyone care enough about body piercings, controversial tattoos, and body hair that they want to send 15% of your business to a competitor? That’s the question management asks.
Even with a uniform cap this guy’s gonna look a little…dicey.
02-21-2022, 09:10 AM
#293
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That^^^
We can’t draft people to fly on our aircraft. Let’s say that things HAVE changed, and the whole military appearance thing is only an issue with 10-15% of our CUSTOMERS. Anyone care enough about body piercings, controversial tattoos, and body hair that they want to send 15% of your business to a competitor? That’s the question management asks.
Even with a uniform cap this guy’s gonna look a little…dicey.
We can’t draft people to fly on our aircraft. Let’s say that things HAVE changed, and the whole military appearance thing is only an issue with 10-15% of our CUSTOMERS. Anyone care enough about body piercings, controversial tattoos, and body hair that they want to send 15% of your business to a competitor? That’s the question management asks.
Even with a uniform cap this guy’s gonna look a little…dicey.
02-21-2022, 09:15 AM
#294
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Don't you get it?, it's a slippery slope, it's beards today, but for sure it's lingerie and ass-less chaps tomorrow! Every single time there are beards allowed, it all goes to hell right after.
02-21-2022, 10:26 AM
#296
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Someone could already do that today but he ignores that, because he can post an unusual picture and try to scare people.
It kind of betrays what type of person is against this. Those who are scared of management, or scared of beards, or just plain scared.
02-21-2022, 10:57 AM
#297
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Yep, that's why I said his strawman was irrelevant.
Someone could already do that today but he ignores that, because he can post an unusual picture and try to scare people.
It kind of betrays what type of person is against this. Those who are scared of management, or scared of beards, or just plain scared.
Someone could already do that today but he ignores that, because he can post an unusual picture and try to scare people.
It kind of betrays what type of person is against this. Those who are scared of management, or scared of beards, or just plain scared.
And again, answer the question: Would you do something that would discourage even only 10-15% of CUSTOMERS to let an employee have a beard.
02-21-2022, 11:01 AM
#298
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Here's what I get. It's about upholding a standard. A code reflected in plain sight. Doesn't matter who locks themselves in behind the clipper door tonight, every one of them hand selected, trained, tested & highly paid for one thing, taking care of YOU. No beards, face tats or studs. https://youtu.be/mX8yCh25tNM
02-21-2022, 11:44 AM
#299
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No, it’s those who in another life have BEEN management and UNDERSTAND the slippery slope argument. And how 5% of the employees constitute 80% of the HR workload.
And again, answer the question: Would you do something that would discourage even only 10-15% of CUSTOMERS to let an employee have a beard.
And again, answer the question: Would you do something that would discourage even only 10-15% of CUSTOMERS to let an employee have a beard.
02-21-2022, 03:32 PM
#300
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