BealBadDeal

Why don't you go take a winter swim in the Mississippi MrStl. I think you might be better off just doing walk arounds and working the radio for a couple of months. Ok, ok, maybe I could do a tight squeeze into a size 14 instead of that 12. The good thing is there is no shortage of high heals hanging around Gojet and I have the legs for them.

As for the question about why did I go to Gojet, ok, I'm an idiot, I admit it. It's not that I could hide the fact now. I work for a company with an embarrassing contract that we just voted in and that we will have to live with for the next 11 years.

We need to change the way we are looked at, we are not the industry leaders but we are the most stylish off duty. New motto, Gojet, the most obedient pilots in the world!

bcpilot

The YES voters just saw the money & surface level increases..

The NO voters saw a lot more..

There is WEAK language buried which leaves a lot to interpretation, by whom we don't know..

Words like "operational necessity" , "Operational requirement" & " to be determined by the company" are used way more than they need to be in any contract..

4 hr credit that comes with stipulations, like show time before & after...; cancellation pay is subject to award but language does not cover trades, drops & swaps..

60 min show time for a 29 min turn...

14 hr duty day but can be extended upto 4 hours more than FAR 117 if needed by operational need & with the consent of the pilot, which means 17 hrs of duty day followed by 10 hrs min rest & then do it all over again..

The cancellation pay protection does not apply to Fatigue calls which result from 17 hr days due to delays from MX or WX or both..

One of the biggest was removing 3 GDO's or Guaranteed Days OFF which every reserve pilot gets every month.

Company can set the line threshold in the PBS up to 95 hours, up from 90 hrs in the previous CBA, basically forcing people to work 90-95 hrs per month, with min days off & commuting on days off..

Under the previous TA, NO pilot could be extended or Junior assigned into his GDO or even intentionally dispatched that may cause him to extend into his GDO..

A lot of CA's spend a good 1.5 to 2 yrs on reserve..

Biggest gainers were year 1 & year 2 FO's & the Lifers.

Lifers got 18 yr CA rates.. Lifers are on year 11 pay now, they will have 5 yrs under new CBA & 3 more years after that..

Lots of small things which gives all the power to company interpret the language..

Most of the people who voted NO wanted clarifications & changes made either in Language or in the form of an LOA before the pilot group voted on this TA..

beverage

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UALfor25

"Words like "operational necessity" , "Operational requirement" & " to be determined by the company" are used way more than they need to be in any contract..

There is WEAK language buried which leaves a lot to interpretation, by whom we don't know..."

Well, there are only two parties in the negotiating room... one represents the pilots and one is management. I'll give you two guesses as to which required that language.

I've read this TA several times. It's not perfect. And GoJet is the wrong place to get industry leading ANYTHING. However, this TA brings this pilot group a looong way forward from where they had been with their 1st generation contract.

Good for you guys.

Now get your time and GTFO!

977flyer

Exactly. Too many holes. I can't believe these POS passed.

WhiskeyDelta

This makes no sense whatsoever. You cannot be extended beyond scheduled FDP plus 2 hours. Where does the "extended unto 4 hours more than FAR 117" come from? Last I checked, a labor contract cannot be less lax than the FARs. The max in Table B for calculating the FDP is 14 hours scheduled. Add the 2 hour extension and you can only work for 16 hours...unless you get a major airborne delay.

My guess if you didn't correctly explain this. I don't see how this was signed off by your union or the company as being legal.

B200 Hawk

"Operational necessity" is probably buried in every regional contract and it is a joke. They bend you over because of that phrase.

Final Fix

It probably comes from the double DH that the company is going to schedule to the overnight. The crew isn't at the controls, therefore not restricted by FDP.

Midwestaviator

Do you have the full vid? I've heard so much about it, but it has vanished off of Yooutoobe. I wanted to see it.

WhiskeyDelta

I see now. It's a contractual 4 hours beyond the scheduled FDP. Thanks.