Mature Gojet discussion
08-07-2012, 10:02 AM
#31
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Here's a mature question for you gogetters.....
When did it become cool to work for an alter-ego airline?
When did it become cool to work for an alter-ego airline?
08-07-2012, 10:07 AM
#32
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I very, very rarely post on here anymore, especially in the GoJet threads. This is simply because it is like trying to break up a toddler fight on a pre school playground. That being said, here goes....
Yes, I work for GoJet and have now for about the last 5 months or so. Before that, I spent 5 years (between furloughs) flying the 145 at Trans States. I flew with some of the most professional and competant pilots that I have had the pleasure to meet, and maybe a couple that weren't so hot. In my short time at GoJet, I can say about the same thing on a smaller scale given the time that I have been there.
Boys and girls, the bottom line is that a regional is a regional is a regional. GoJet is capitalizing on the same situation that other have over the course of the last decade and longer. Where was the uproar when Republic bought Midwest and furloughed all of their pilots? Or how about Silver getting Colgan's old Saabs or Republic getting the old Colgan Q's. I certainly didn't point my finger and curse the pilots at Eagle when I lost my job so that they could get their airplanes back. So why are we still having the same coversation with the same sophmoric responses every time?
Folks, the simple fact is that if you are flying for a regional, your airline has exactly ZERO ownership of the flying that you do, PERIOD. Look at your airplanes. The big name on the side is not Republic, or SkyWest, or Trans States or GoJet. It is United, Delta, American and US Airways. That is who the flying belongs to, not you. I am sorry, but that is the way that it is. Eagle didn't "steal" Trans States flying when I got furloughed. ASA didn't steal Comair's planes and GoJet didn't steal them from ASA or Comair. Delta has pulled and is pulling the strings on that. Just like any other Legacy carrier does with it's regional partners. It is the business. You may not like, I don't like it either. But lets face it, if you are a regional pilot, you are a contract airline pilot, pure and simple.
I for one am sickened with the events at Comair and I personally wish every singe pilot there the absolute best of luck in the future. Nothing is worse than losing your job. I have been there and I can empathize. No one that I have talked to at GoJet is excited to see Comair go. Those that are a little enthusiastic about getting new airplanes are probably new to the industry and don't yet understand this process. And honestly, a good chunk of our pilot group right now are former Comair pilots, all of whom I have spoken with share my feelings about this situation.
To speak to the jumpseat issue, it is such a falicy created by a few on here who somehow feel that is the way to stick it to a group of people who really haven't done anything to them. I never denied or supported denying a GoJet pilot when I was a waterskier, and in my time at GoJet, I have never even been given a cross look when jumpseating. I have no doubt that it happens from time to time, but politics do not belong on the jumpseat at all.
Wrapping it up here, I will say this. I honestly hope that in the next few years, all of this flying starts returnig to mainline. It will be the best for the future of everyone in this industry. Better work rules and pay are certain with it. GoJet, Trans States, Republic, Colgan, Mesaba, etc. did not individually set back any pilot's career. The regional industry as a whole and the regional jet did. Mainline pilots and regional pilots alike have both given up way too much, and until we decide that is in our best interests to stand together instead of pointing the finger at one another and blaming them for your plight, nothing is going to change. Furloughs will most likely run rampant and regionals will recycle pilots from one to the other, just like happened to me and many, many others. If this pilot shortage is really going to come to fruition, then it is an opportunity to improve everyone's career as long as there is support from all sides to do it.
Yes, I work for GoJet and have now for about the last 5 months or so. Before that, I spent 5 years (between furloughs) flying the 145 at Trans States. I flew with some of the most professional and competant pilots that I have had the pleasure to meet, and maybe a couple that weren't so hot. In my short time at GoJet, I can say about the same thing on a smaller scale given the time that I have been there.
Boys and girls, the bottom line is that a regional is a regional is a regional. GoJet is capitalizing on the same situation that other have over the course of the last decade and longer. Where was the uproar when Republic bought Midwest and furloughed all of their pilots? Or how about Silver getting Colgan's old Saabs or Republic getting the old Colgan Q's. I certainly didn't point my finger and curse the pilots at Eagle when I lost my job so that they could get their airplanes back. So why are we still having the same coversation with the same sophmoric responses every time?
Folks, the simple fact is that if you are flying for a regional, your airline has exactly ZERO ownership of the flying that you do, PERIOD. Look at your airplanes. The big name on the side is not Republic, or SkyWest, or Trans States or GoJet. It is United, Delta, American and US Airways. That is who the flying belongs to, not you. I am sorry, but that is the way that it is. Eagle didn't "steal" Trans States flying when I got furloughed. ASA didn't steal Comair's planes and GoJet didn't steal them from ASA or Comair. Delta has pulled and is pulling the strings on that. Just like any other Legacy carrier does with it's regional partners. It is the business. You may not like, I don't like it either. But lets face it, if you are a regional pilot, you are a contract airline pilot, pure and simple.
I for one am sickened with the events at Comair and I personally wish every singe pilot there the absolute best of luck in the future. Nothing is worse than losing your job. I have been there and I can empathize. No one that I have talked to at GoJet is excited to see Comair go. Those that are a little enthusiastic about getting new airplanes are probably new to the industry and don't yet understand this process. And honestly, a good chunk of our pilot group right now are former Comair pilots, all of whom I have spoken with share my feelings about this situation.
To speak to the jumpseat issue, it is such a falicy created by a few on here who somehow feel that is the way to stick it to a group of people who really haven't done anything to them. I never denied or supported denying a GoJet pilot when I was a waterskier, and in my time at GoJet, I have never even been given a cross look when jumpseating. I have no doubt that it happens from time to time, but politics do not belong on the jumpseat at all.
Wrapping it up here, I will say this. I honestly hope that in the next few years, all of this flying starts returnig to mainline. It will be the best for the future of everyone in this industry. Better work rules and pay are certain with it. GoJet, Trans States, Republic, Colgan, Mesaba, etc. did not individually set back any pilot's career. The regional industry as a whole and the regional jet did. Mainline pilots and regional pilots alike have both given up way too much, and until we decide that is in our best interests to stand together instead of pointing the finger at one another and blaming them for your plight, nothing is going to change. Furloughs will most likely run rampant and regionals will recycle pilots from one to the other, just like happened to me and many, many others. If this pilot shortage is really going to come to fruition, then it is an opportunity to improve everyone's career as long as there is support from all sides to do it.
08-07-2012, 10:26 AM
#33
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actually fair assessment
Regional airlines are a case study on what happens when you have no or weak scope in your cba. Mgmt just goes around any group that gets too far ahead if avg. To top it off regionals have no indigenous flying and have always to compete on price for flying.
08-07-2012, 10:33 AM
#34
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If you don't consider all the facts, then how can you make an educated decision?
You can't just ignore the fact that gojets was created to circumvent an existing collective bargaining agreement. If you choose to work for an alter-ego then you have to consider the potential outcomes of your actions. There are plenty of people that will find a "weight restriction" before allowing you on the Jumpseat. There are many who will continue to look down upon you for the choice you made. Most importantly, if you can look at yourself in the mirror and be ok with working for an alter-ego, well then pad yourself in the back; you'll be a great fit for them. Just remember that when you're ridiculed and humiliated by those working at the regular airlines.
You can't just ignore the fact that gojets was created to circumvent an existing collective bargaining agreement. If you choose to work for an alter-ego then you have to consider the potential outcomes of your actions. There are plenty of people that will find a "weight restriction" before allowing you on the Jumpseat. There are many who will continue to look down upon you for the choice you made. Most importantly, if you can look at yourself in the mirror and be ok with working for an alter-ego, well then pad yourself in the back; you'll be a great fit for them. Just remember that when you're ridiculed and humiliated by those working at the regular airlines.
Is somebody who joins today still considered the same way as the initial gojet pilots? It's easy to say that I'm not gonna work someplace when I'm employed. However, when you're looking at the possibility of not being employed, things aren't so black and white.
08-07-2012, 11:01 AM
#36
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Yes Gojet is the lowest bidder and the flying will normally go to the lowest bidder - Be it Skywest, Pinnacle, ExpressJet,......whoever. that's business. So now the question becomes, why does everyone have a different ....or more 'venomous'...reaction when gojets gets awarded more flying? I mean they are just the lowest bidder right? WRONG. Not only is it the lowest bidder, the biggest difference, and in my opinion the most important one, is that Gojet, is an ALTER-EGO airline.
08-07-2012, 11:09 AM
#37
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If you don't consider all the facts, then how can you make an educated decision?
You can't just ignore the fact that gojets was created to circumvent an existing collective bargaining agreement. If you choose to work for an alter-ego then you have to consider the potential outcomes of your actions. There are plenty of people that will find a "weight restriction" before allowing you on the Jumpseat. There are many who will continue to look down upon you for the choice you made. Most importantly, if you can look at yourself in the mirror and be ok with working for an alter-ego, well then pad yourself in the back; you'll be a great fit for them. Just remember that when you're ridiculed and humiliated by those working at the regular airlines.
You can't just ignore the fact that gojets was created to circumvent an existing collective bargaining agreement. If you choose to work for an alter-ego then you have to consider the potential outcomes of your actions. There are plenty of people that will find a "weight restriction" before allowing you on the Jumpseat. There are many who will continue to look down upon you for the choice you made. Most importantly, if you can look at yourself in the mirror and be ok with working for an alter-ego, well then pad yourself in the back; you'll be a great fit for them. Just remember that when you're ridiculed and humiliated by those working at the regular airlines.
08-07-2012, 11:14 AM
#38
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It would be like if Skywest didn't want to pay it's senior pilots to fly the planes they just acquired. So, they formed another airline and used all first year pilots to fly them at lower wages while furloughing the Skywest guys who had several years in with families, mortgages.... It's the very company you work for using a group of new hires to beat down the ones they don't want to pay because they might have to actually pay them a fair wage. The precedent has been set.
08-07-2012, 11:52 AM
#39
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Based on how they were formed, I decided to take what I thought was the better decision, and I did not apply to gojet. However, I'm a bit older, and a little wiser now, and it may well be that I may have to consider gojet.
Is somebody who joins today still considered the same way as the initial gojet pilots? It's easy to say that I'm not gonna work someplace when I'm employed. However, when you're looking at the possibility of not being employed, things aren't so black and white.
Is somebody who joins today still considered the same way as the initial gojet pilots? It's easy to say that I'm not gonna work someplace when I'm employed. However, when you're looking at the possibility of not being employed, things aren't so black and white.
You talk about being unemployed....I've been there....family, mortgage the whole lot. I understand. However things were as black and white then as they are now. No to an ALTER-EGO. My bank balance or my employment status does not determine my moral character.
08-07-2012, 11:54 AM
#40
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Why do you have to make up some BS? I work for GoJetsss and I'm also a commuter so why don't you just tell me you don't want to take me? Wouldn't that save us both a whole bunch of wasted time? Then all the way to your destination you can tell your FO what a hero you are for telling the GoJet guy you were "weight restricted". Fast forward to a few day's later, when a pilot from your company shows up to ride on the jumpseat, he or she will be welcomed as a commuter and treated in a professional manner.
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