Mature Gojet discussion
08-07-2012, 06:37 AM
#21
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I would carefully read their contract to help you make an informed decision.
http://www.****************/pilot_co...t_contract.pdf
Additionally perhaps a pm to "samballs", a member who posts on here who works at GoJet.
Edit: oops. Sorry. My linky no workie; probably because im posting from my goody iphone. Anyway just google "GoJet pilot contract" and you will find a PDF file of their working agreement.
Read thoroughly.
http://www.****************/pilot_co...t_contract.pdf
Additionally perhaps a pm to "samballs", a member who posts on here who works at GoJet.
Edit: oops. Sorry. My linky no workie; probably because im posting from my goody iphone. Anyway just google "GoJet pilot contract" and you will find a PDF file of their working agreement.
Read thoroughly.
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08-07-2012, 06:48 AM
#22
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Stigma associated with them aside. I had to DH on GJ flight a few days ago and had a pretty good conversation with the Captain while they were trying to track down a FA. He kept saying how bad the operation is and how everything is done the cheap way. I couldn't believe some of the stuff he said and the crap they put up with there.
08-07-2012, 06:52 AM
#23
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we aren't excited about comair's demise. it is hard, however, not to have a positive attitude about the growing airline that we work for. there are two ways of looking at the situation, and all of you know it.
08-07-2012, 06:56 AM
#24
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I would carefully read their contract to help you make an informed decision.
http://www.****************/pilot_co...t_contract.pdf
Additionally perhaps a pm to "samballs", a member who posts on here who works at GoJet.
http://www.****************/pilot_co...t_contract.pdf
Additionally perhaps a pm to "samballs", a member who posts on here who works at GoJet.
that current contract expires in December I believe. There are many improvements to be made, and I'm confident that we will get some of them. If anybody ever thinks that a GJ contact is going to look like Delta's, they're sadly mistaken. Having said that, if that is what you are looking for the regionals aren't for you in the first place.
08-07-2012, 07:03 AM
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EDIT: Also don't be one of those guys who says they work for "United Express" or are too shame to put where you work on Facebook. Have some damn pride in your job....if you work for GoJet it shows that you're a professional when you don't have to mask where you work. Jesus.
The only regional I ever worked for that the general public recognized was Comair, but we know how that one is going to end.
08-07-2012, 07:06 AM
#27
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Hey all,
I’m looking for a mature discussion on GoJets. If all you’re going to contribute are childish comments (IBTL etc.), please move on. I’d also like us to stay away from the emotions attached to how the TSA management went about creating the airline.
Now given the current state of the industry, would somebody who joins gojet today still be frowned upon?
What’s the QOL and culture like a Gojet? Is the management understanding when you need time off to get something done?
For the most part, yes. It does depend on the situation at hand, however. Needing time off for a funeral, FMLA, etc is never a problem. Needing time off for your cousin's wedding, well, that's a different story. The new DO seems to have a better understanding of the importance of the relationship between management/labor though. I wouldn't be surprised to see the working environment become a bit friendlier in the near future.
Is commuting really as bad as some say it is?
No. Anybody that tells you it is is typically only on this forum.
Most pilots commute. Keep that in mind.
What's upgrade time like?
The most junior captain was hired in November 2011 I believe. He is STL based. You'd be able to hold RDU at this point as a CA as well. ORD is the senior base, and the only way to get into it is via attrition.
What’s the training department like?
Unfortunately, be prepared for self study. While the training does give you a foundation, the oral exam in no way represents ground school. There are gouges floating around that help people to be successful. Without the gouges, the failure rate would be much worse than what it is. The number of sim sessions allowed for initial are sufficient in my opinion (10 total iirc). The number of sims for upgrade, not so much (3 sims and a type ride).
For full disclosure, I’ve never been a really big fan of gojet, but right now, I’m facing a very uncertain future at my own airline, and I’m trying to decide if I should be looking at gojet.
Go interview, see what you think, and then make a decision.
Again, let’s try and keep the silly comments out of it.
I’m looking for a mature discussion on GoJets. If all you’re going to contribute are childish comments (IBTL etc.), please move on. I’d also like us to stay away from the emotions attached to how the TSA management went about creating the airline.
Now given the current state of the industry, would somebody who joins gojet today still be frowned upon?
What’s the QOL and culture like a Gojet? Is the management understanding when you need time off to get something done?
For the most part, yes. It does depend on the situation at hand, however. Needing time off for a funeral, FMLA, etc is never a problem. Needing time off for your cousin's wedding, well, that's a different story. The new DO seems to have a better understanding of the importance of the relationship between management/labor though. I wouldn't be surprised to see the working environment become a bit friendlier in the near future.
Is commuting really as bad as some say it is?
No. Anybody that tells you it is is typically only on this forum.
Most pilots commute. Keep that in mind.
What's upgrade time like?
The most junior captain was hired in November 2011 I believe. He is STL based. You'd be able to hold RDU at this point as a CA as well. ORD is the senior base, and the only way to get into it is via attrition.
What’s the training department like?
Unfortunately, be prepared for self study. While the training does give you a foundation, the oral exam in no way represents ground school. There are gouges floating around that help people to be successful. Without the gouges, the failure rate would be much worse than what it is. The number of sim sessions allowed for initial are sufficient in my opinion (10 total iirc). The number of sims for upgrade, not so much (3 sims and a type ride).
For full disclosure, I’ve never been a really big fan of gojet, but right now, I’m facing a very uncertain future at my own airline, and I’m trying to decide if I should be looking at gojet.
Go interview, see what you think, and then make a decision.
Again, let’s try and keep the silly comments out of it.
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08-07-2012, 07:09 AM
#28
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the contract leaves a lot to be desired.
that current contract expires in December I believe. There are many improvements to be made, and I'm confident that we will get some of them. If anybody ever thinks that a GJ contact is going to look like Delta's, they're sadly mistaken. Having said that, if that is what you are looking for the regionals aren't for you in the first place.
that current contract expires in December I believe. There are many improvements to be made, and I'm confident that we will get some of them. If anybody ever thinks that a GJ contact is going to look like Delta's, they're sadly mistaken. Having said that, if that is what you are looking for the regionals aren't for you in the first place.
08-07-2012, 07:38 AM
#29
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Stigma associated with them aside. I had to DH on GJ flight a few days ago and had a pretty good conversation with the Captain while they were trying to track down a FA. He kept saying how bad the operation is and how everything is done the cheap way. I couldn't believe some of the stuff he said and the crap they put up with there.
Why?
Because that's the Trans States way...
08-07-2012, 09:54 AM
#30
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Position: ERJ145 Captain
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To the OP
If you don't consider all the facts, then how can you make an educated decision?
You can't just ignore the fact that gojets was created to circumvent an existing collective bargaining agreement. If you choose to work for an alter-ego then you have to consider the potential outcomes of your actions. There are plenty of people that will find a "weight restriction" before allowing you on the Jumpseat. There are many who will continue to look down upon you for the choice you made. Most importantly, if you can look at yourself in the mirror and be ok with working for an alter-ego, well then pad yourself in the back; you'll be a great fit for them. Just remember that when you're ridiculed and humiliated by those working at the regular airlines.
You can't just ignore the fact that gojets was created to circumvent an existing collective bargaining agreement. If you choose to work for an alter-ego then you have to consider the potential outcomes of your actions. There are plenty of people that will find a "weight restriction" before allowing you on the Jumpseat. There are many who will continue to look down upon you for the choice you made. Most importantly, if you can look at yourself in the mirror and be ok with working for an alter-ego, well then pad yourself in the back; you'll be a great fit for them. Just remember that when you're ridiculed and humiliated by those working at the regular airlines.
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