Why you shouldn't hate GoJet pilots
05-02-2012, 06:13 AM
#111
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One argument I can't stand is.... "all regionals are the same." Please it's like saying all majors are the same. Nothing is the same. Some regional contracts are far superior than others just like some major contracts are better than others. The past 5 years have taught people that you may well end up at a regional for much longer than you anticipated.
They fly subcontracted flying all dressed up too make the public think that they are getting WHO they thought they were buying.
Plain and simple, ALL regional pilots are gaining experience at the expense of a major airlines scope clause. (I spent many years doing the same thing)
All of this GoJet BS is two problems, TSA pilots' lack of an enforceable scope clause, and one major PRICK - Hulas.
lowut, best post I have seen in a long time.
05-02-2012, 06:58 AM
#112
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I don't know if anybody has explained this already but...
The difference between GoJet and the Regional phenomenon we all have come to enjoy is that GoJet was an operation that was created under the same "holdings" corporation at the same airport, with the same pilots (people at Trans States left to GoJet to try to get seniority first), under the nose of ALPA. Solidarity is the only thing that will keep a union strong. ALPA failed to protect the Trans States pilot group from what has become known as the "whipsaw".
As far as comparing regional pilots to mainliners goes...
The mainline pilot groups refused to fly the RJ. They refused the entry-level position that it would have created at their airlines and thus the majors were able to offload their crew costs and contract out flying to our companies. Had they not refused a position that offered such low pay (probably 50% more than we make now), we would all be flying RJ's at mainline airlines and NO, Compass you are not mainline pilots even though you act like you are.
The airline situation with the myriad of regional operators, each slugging each other in an epic struggle to see who can pay the least is the fault of pilots taking jobs that they don't want, but will endure for the chance to move on. I'm guilty of it too, but what other choice do we all have?
The difference between GoJet and the Regional phenomenon we all have come to enjoy is that GoJet was an operation that was created under the same "holdings" corporation at the same airport, with the same pilots (people at Trans States left to GoJet to try to get seniority first), under the nose of ALPA. Solidarity is the only thing that will keep a union strong. ALPA failed to protect the Trans States pilot group from what has become known as the "whipsaw".
As far as comparing regional pilots to mainliners goes...
The mainline pilot groups refused to fly the RJ. They refused the entry-level position that it would have created at their airlines and thus the majors were able to offload their crew costs and contract out flying to our companies. Had they not refused a position that offered such low pay (probably 50% more than we make now), we would all be flying RJ's at mainline airlines and NO, Compass you are not mainline pilots even though you act like you are.
The airline situation with the myriad of regional operators, each slugging each other in an epic struggle to see who can pay the least is the fault of pilots taking jobs that they don't want, but will endure for the chance to move on. I'm guilty of it too, but what other choice do we all have?
05-02-2012, 08:21 AM
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Me think funny when people call someone stupid while making stupid mistake.
Also, I don't want to distract anymore from this important thread, but you should look up the defintion of Irony, Cheryl Crow (sp intentional - to give you ammo. "If you want to do something about that, I will be outside. I am drunker than you, so it should be a fair fight").
05-02-2012, 08:41 AM
#114
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05-02-2012, 08:44 AM
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Now I call foul. You cannot respond to a Caine Mutiny reference with a Gump reference. That is just not fair.
Well played. By deleting your first post and replacing, I look stupid. I surrender!
Well played. By deleting your first post and replacing, I look stupid. I surrender!
05-02-2012, 09:25 AM
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05-02-2012, 12:18 PM
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I don't know if anybody has explained this already but...
The difference between GoJet and the Regional phenomenon we all have come to enjoy is that GoJet was an operation that was created under the same "holdings" corporation at the same airport, with the same pilots (people at Trans States left to GoJet to try to get seniority first), under the nose of ALPA. Solidarity is the only thing that will keep a union strong. ALPA failed to protect the Trans States pilot group from what has become known as the "whipsaw".
As far as comparing regional pilots to mainliners goes...
The mainline pilot groups refused to fly the RJ. They refused the entry-level position that it would have created at their airlines and thus the majors were able to offload their crew costs and contract out flying to our companies. Had they not refused a position that offered such low pay (probably 50% more than we make now), we would all be flying RJ's at mainline airlines and NO, Compass you are not mainline pilots even though you act like you are.
The airline situation with the myriad of regional operators, each slugging each other in an epic struggle to see who can pay the least is the fault of pilots taking jobs that they don't want, but will endure for the chance to move on. I'm guilty of it too, but what other choice do we all have?
The difference between GoJet and the Regional phenomenon we all have come to enjoy is that GoJet was an operation that was created under the same "holdings" corporation at the same airport, with the same pilots (people at Trans States left to GoJet to try to get seniority first), under the nose of ALPA. Solidarity is the only thing that will keep a union strong. ALPA failed to protect the Trans States pilot group from what has become known as the "whipsaw".
As far as comparing regional pilots to mainliners goes...
The mainline pilot groups refused to fly the RJ. They refused the entry-level position that it would have created at their airlines and thus the majors were able to offload their crew costs and contract out flying to our companies. Had they not refused a position that offered such low pay (probably 50% more than we make now), we would all be flying RJ's at mainline airlines and NO, Compass you are not mainline pilots even though you act like you are.
The airline situation with the myriad of regional operators, each slugging each other in an epic struggle to see who can pay the least is the fault of pilots taking jobs that they don't want, but will endure for the chance to move on. I'm guilty of it too, but what other choice do we all have?
05-11-2012, 10:02 AM
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June's new hire class has 42 people in it. Maybe due to attrition, but possibly due to additional growth.
Upgrades continue to run also.
Upgrades continue to run also.
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