GoJet Interview and Training
11-20-2011, 08:37 PM
#21
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: A320
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Well, I just checked the pay for CRJ700/900 at ASA, EXJ, and Comair. Almost identical +/- $1.00 per hour in favor of ANY. Does APC post inaccurate pay rates? Most of the ones that I can confirm are dead nuts on. I did notice though that Comair has a great match on the 401k. I also noticed their most junior Captain on the CRJ700/900 was hired in 1991. I feel for those guys, they have been most gracious with the J/S over the years.
11-20-2011, 08:52 PM
#22
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Position: Unemployed 121 Captain
Posts: 246
Look man, just looking out for your best interest as you were obviously misled by someone out there. If you are burned out after 20 years, I'm highly confident that you will find no such relief moving to the bottom of the list of a regional carrier. Especially one that has a reputation for being "not so good" in terms of pilot QOL etc. Never mind the story of how the airline became to be.
I'm just saying have some respect for yourself. What you were doing must have been pretty rough. You put in a lot of time, just to make no more than 30-40k for the next few years with a super uncertain company business model. I just don't see the logic. But what do I know.
Good luck!
I'm just saying have some respect for yourself. What you were doing must have been pretty rough. You put in a lot of time, just to make no more than 30-40k for the next few years with a super uncertain company business model. I just don't see the logic. But what do I know.
Good luck!
11-20-2011, 09:01 PM
#23
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Position: Unemployed 121 Captain
Posts: 246
Whoa! Yeah, you need to look past first year pay. It's like an 11 dollar difference at places such as ASA (Expressjet). Substantial difference actually. All around. Nice to know that guys are doing my job with the same exact aircraft for 11 bucks cheaper. Just saying. When a regional airline can undercut the other by that much, it's a sad day in aviation. Maybe they got really hot F/A's or something. I dunno.
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11-20-2011, 11:12 PM
#24
I'm a man of my word.
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: Devil's Advocate
Posts: 2,883
Are you frickin' kidding me? What is wrong with you? I'm dead serious. You accepted that job, on those terms, under those conditions? No wonder you think GoJet is gonna be great.
11-21-2011, 12:22 AM
#25
Day puke
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: Out.
Posts: 3,865
Well, I just checked the pay for CRJ700/900 at ASA, EXJ, and Comair. Almost identical +/- $1.00 per hour in favor of ANY. Does APC post inaccurate pay rates? Most of the ones that I can confirm are dead nuts on. I did notice though that Comair has a great match on the 401k. I also noticed their most junior Captain on the CRJ700/900 was hired in 1991. I feel for those guys, they have been most gracious with the J/S over the years.
Starting pay is not representative. Heck, Southwest's first year pay is about 60% of its second year pay.
I was looking at fifth year CA pay. IMO a reasonable place to compare for us forty somethings (I am a forty something, been flying commercially 15 years).
GoJet is now a union shop so unless they have no current FOs ready to upgrade, a street CA position does not exist. And, if no street CAs then you will be hired as an FO and will need to wait for your turn to upgrade. If you DO get a street CA slot, remember you will be the most junior reservist until the last guy hired when you were upgrades. Three or four years of hot reserve would make me slit my wrists.
Also, if as many people have said, many of the current pilots (specifically CAs) are furloughs or lost their jobs due to failed companies, they are unlikely to move on especially if they are in the forty something range. If that is the case, you will always be junior to them. Personally, I loth the idea of being in my fifties and still being in the bottom half of the seniority list.
Unless we have another 9/11 or idiots go nuts trading oil, the youngsters will begin moving on in a couple years. If I were you, I would look for a job with a turbo prop company (turbo props will always have a niche and mainlines won't want them) which has a base where you want to live or at least is an easy commute, has a decent contract, not too many lifers, and sign on for the long haul. There are several of these companies where in 5 to 10 years you could be making near a six figure salary and by that time hold darn near any line you want. (The following is not an endorsement for Colgan, only an example) For example, a guy hired at Colgan today who upgrades on the Q would be about $72000 at five years... and that is BASE pay, no perdiem and no fuzzy money... and there is plenty of that to go around. Pick up an average day trip at 200% each month, and you would be in the mid 80s. I don't include perdiem, but if you did, you would be around 90k.
By the way, to get the same hourly rate as a fifth year Q CA, you would need to be a SEVENTH year CA at GoJet. And our contract is pretty average.
If we DO have another 9/11 or idiots go nuts trading oil, you will be stuck. It's better to be stuck with a decent contract and work rules than being an indentured servant especially if you live in base.
Last edited by FlyJSH; 11-21-2011 at 12:53 AM.
11-21-2011, 05:50 AM
#26
Indian Takeout Driver
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: FAR part 347 (91+121+135)
Posts: 1,566
11-21-2011, 07:20 AM
#27
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Joined APC: Jun 2007
Posts: 167
Starting pay is not representative. Heck, Southwest's first year pay is about 60% of its second year pay.
I was looking at fifth year CA pay. IMO a reasonable place to compare for us forty somethings (I am a forty something, been flying commercially 15 years).
GoJet is now a union shop so unless they have no current FOs ready to upgrade, a street CA position does not exist. And, if no street CAs then you will be hired as an FO and will need to wait for your turn to upgrade. If you DO get a street CA slot, remember you will be the most junior reservist until the last guy hired when you were upgrades. Three or four years of hot reserve would make me slit my wrists.
Also, if as many people have said, many of the current pilots (specifically CAs) are furloughs or lost their jobs due to failed companies, they are unlikely to move on especially if they are in the forty something range. If that is the case, you will always be junior to them. Personally, I loth the idea of being in my fifties and still being in the bottom half of the seniority list.
Unless we have another 9/11 or idiots go nuts trading oil, the youngsters will begin moving on in a couple years. If I were you, I would look for a job with a turbo prop company (turbo props will always have a niche and mainlines won't want them) which has a base where you want to live or at least is an easy commute, has a decent contract, not too many lifers, and sign on for the long haul. There are several of these companies where in 5 to 10 years you could be making near a six figure salary and by that time hold darn near any line you want. (The following is not an endorsement for Colgan, only an example) For example, a guy hired at Colgan today who upgrades on the Q would be about $72000 at five years... and that is BASE pay, no perdiem and no fuzzy money... and there is plenty of that to go around. Pick up an average day trip at 200% each month, and you would be in the mid 80s. I don't include perdiem, but if you did, you would be around 90k.
By the way, to get the same hourly rate as a fifth year Q CA, you would need to be a SEVENTH year CA at GoJet. And our contract is pretty average.
If we DO have another 9/11 or idiots go nuts trading oil, you will be stuck. It's better to be stuck with a decent contract and work rules than being an indentured servant especially if you live in base.
I was looking at fifth year CA pay. IMO a reasonable place to compare for us forty somethings (I am a forty something, been flying commercially 15 years).
GoJet is now a union shop so unless they have no current FOs ready to upgrade, a street CA position does not exist. And, if no street CAs then you will be hired as an FO and will need to wait for your turn to upgrade. If you DO get a street CA slot, remember you will be the most junior reservist until the last guy hired when you were upgrades. Three or four years of hot reserve would make me slit my wrists.
Also, if as many people have said, many of the current pilots (specifically CAs) are furloughs or lost their jobs due to failed companies, they are unlikely to move on especially if they are in the forty something range. If that is the case, you will always be junior to them. Personally, I loth the idea of being in my fifties and still being in the bottom half of the seniority list.
Unless we have another 9/11 or idiots go nuts trading oil, the youngsters will begin moving on in a couple years. If I were you, I would look for a job with a turbo prop company (turbo props will always have a niche and mainlines won't want them) which has a base where you want to live or at least is an easy commute, has a decent contract, not too many lifers, and sign on for the long haul. There are several of these companies where in 5 to 10 years you could be making near a six figure salary and by that time hold darn near any line you want. (The following is not an endorsement for Colgan, only an example) For example, a guy hired at Colgan today who upgrades on the Q would be about $72000 at five years... and that is BASE pay, no perdiem and no fuzzy money... and there is plenty of that to go around. Pick up an average day trip at 200% each month, and you would be in the mid 80s. I don't include perdiem, but if you did, you would be around 90k.
By the way, to get the same hourly rate as a fifth year Q CA, you would need to be a SEVENTH year CA at GoJet. And our contract is pretty average.
If we DO have another 9/11 or idiots go nuts trading oil, you will be stuck. It's better to be stuck with a decent contract and work rules than being an indentured servant especially if you live in base.
11-21-2011, 07:56 AM
#28
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2011
Posts: 39
If you go from one place that had a worthless contract to another, you must have some skeletons in your closet that prevents you from getting hired at a quality airline.
11-21-2011, 09:02 AM
#29
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Joined APC: Oct 2009
Posts: 596
How about some honest, informative, and concise info on the interview, what to expect, if hired what is training pay, what life is like on the line after training. Also, how are CQFO's treated by the other Pilots; Captains as well as First Officers alike. Please, if not interviewed recently or not a present or former GoJet Pilot avoid flaming, baiting, or making rude comments. If you know someone who works or worked at GoJet and would like to share what they told you about the company, feel free to do so. I would be willing to bet this thread will be closed by the morning, but lets see if we can have some "Pilots helping Pilots" for a refreshing change.
training pay is a 60 hr a month guarantee, not including per diem. the company originally 'bases' you in STL so they can avoid per diem all together. further down the line, they also do this with STL based pilots for recurrent training.
The company is once again paying for lodging during training.
CQFO's aren't going to be treated with any hostility by the pilot group. many FO's may be a bit reluctant to babysit, however. your chances of holding a line as a D.E.C. are non-existent. the most jr. line holding captain is ORD based, and a July '09 hire.
life as a relatively senior line holder is tolerable. for december, i was awarded an 82 hr line with 16 days off (including the entire week of christmas, and new years eve as well)
* a pay raise is rumored for the spring of 2012, along with substantial improvements of work rules. granted, it's a rumor, so take that fwiw.
good luck with your interview.
11-21-2011, 09:14 AM
#30
Kerbal Rocket Surgeon
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: DTW 717A
Posts: 1,099
Dude my GoJet interview was sweeT! It was like 1 dude and a chick and I went in there, said wassup and they were like wassssuppp. Its totally a chill place to work bro, nobody on yer nutz about like how many failures you had and stuff. Who cares, right? Just passed all the training was a total breeze autopilot on at 400ft and off at 200ft every time my man, they just made us do 1 sim and boom i'm on the line BoY! I'm frickin stoked man gonna be a C R J PILOT!! Got the new license plates on order man, gonna look sick on my ride with 23" spinners! Ride into the danger zone fool!
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