Gojet dilemma
#31
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So is it me or isn't this whole GoJet bashing getting old? No I don't work for TSA nor GoJet but why are we still stuck on what happen in the past?Because it's still happening Not looking for any flamebait here but seriously. I am highly aware about the state of outsourcing flying to the regionals and flying bigger airplanes for puke wages. In my own opinion, all regionals have their own issues. Some are better with respect to having contracts and what not but what is the real problem in this industry? As mainline flying starts to shrink, the possibility of being stuck at a regional is not far fetched. In that case you don't want to get stuck at Gojet.
Who cares where somebody works. Do the furloughed jet for jobs United guys catch slack and flamebait for working at GoJet? They should, they replaced themselves for a third the wage, talk about stupid. My whole point being, I am pretty sure this industry has way other problems then to worry about where somebody works.
I happen to work for arguably one of the worst, pathetic and embarrassing regionals to ever operate and yes it is an all turboprop circus.But you didn't stab anyone in the back to get there. I am biased about not having any jet time because apparently I am looked at differently by some hiring boards. Anybody else see this as another problem? Realistically speaking here, do the GoJet pilots really have problems jumpseating? I've never had one ask, but the answer is no. We can rant and rave all day long on here but who is gonna be the one to deny a jumpseater just because they work for a certain carrier? As a commuter myself, it sucks regardless. I don't care who you work for but you are welcome in my jumpseat. The guy/gal you just denied didn't make it home that night to see his family. He would have if he hadn't felt it necessary to stab his brothers in the back to get ahead. Couch in a crew room is a good thinking spot.
Who cares where somebody works. Do the furloughed jet for jobs United guys catch slack and flamebait for working at GoJet? They should, they replaced themselves for a third the wage, talk about stupid. My whole point being, I am pretty sure this industry has way other problems then to worry about where somebody works.
I happen to work for arguably one of the worst, pathetic and embarrassing regionals to ever operate and yes it is an all turboprop circus.But you didn't stab anyone in the back to get there. I am biased about not having any jet time because apparently I am looked at differently by some hiring boards. Anybody else see this as another problem? Realistically speaking here, do the GoJet pilots really have problems jumpseating? I've never had one ask, but the answer is no. We can rant and rave all day long on here but who is gonna be the one to deny a jumpseater just because they work for a certain carrier? As a commuter myself, it sucks regardless. I don't care who you work for but you are welcome in my jumpseat. The guy/gal you just denied didn't make it home that night to see his family. He would have if he hadn't felt it necessary to stab his brothers in the back to get ahead. Couch in a crew room is a good thinking spot.
I'm guessing you work for Commutair, if that's the case just imagine how you would feel if Commutair management took the money you earn for them and created another airline. Then hired for it and completely circumvented your seniority, then grew said airline.
It should tell everyone something that gojet still has a hard time filling classes in this environment. Is any other regional having any trouble getting people in class?
You can do whatever you want. Maybe you will get ahead by going to Gojet. I won't. Even if it would result in me upgrading to NASA. Why? I have to look at myself in the mirror, and I don't want to be that level of hypocrite.
I still stand for something. You do whatever you feel comfortable with, but if you go to Gojet I don't want to hear any complaining about scope or outsourcing or any of those issues ever again.
Part of the problem or part of the solution.
#32
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I would go for it, the bashers are just a vocal few. I wish I had gone years ago. I would have earned ~ $175K more than what I had in the last 5 years. Do you understand how much that is? When the majors start hiring, you will be one of the first in line compared to if you had to stay somewhere for 5 years as a FO.
As for jumpseat commuting, don't even worry about, never had a captain not welcome a GJ pilot on board. Even if you were to buy 4 round trips a month, or one of those all you can fly annual passes, you would still come out way ahead of what a FO makes.
Good luck
As for jumpseat commuting, don't even worry about, never had a captain not welcome a GJ pilot on board. Even if you were to buy 4 round trips a month, or one of those all you can fly annual passes, you would still come out way ahead of what a FO makes.
Good luck
#33
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So according to the haters, I am to do the "right thing", sit right seat for 30k a year for then next 5 years and never get out, or do the "wrong thing", go to GoJEt, get my hours and at least 60k a year and have a better chance of moving on. Hmmm. Which one? Once in a while in order to succeed, you need to bet on the underdog. Also, If I was ever denied a JS or confronted about working there,it would not be pretty.
I can't go there for the same reason I can't cheat at a card game. It would be a hollow victory. If you win by cheating, you didn't win. You cheated.
I'm not going to convince you one way or the other but I also don't have to respect cheaters.
And for the record, I'm not worried if it "wouldn't be pretty", on the flight deck of an airplane there's really not much you're going to do about it so you can gate check your threats.
#35
I'll be the guy. I'll be the guy any time you like. If it was wrong 5 years ago it isn't any less wrong now. The guys who stabbed TSA in the back may be gone or they may not, but the knife is still there and the new guys just twist the handle. New guy's such as United furlough's?
I'm guessing you work for Commutair, if that's the case just imagine how you would feel if Commutair management took the money you earn for them and created another airline. Then hired for it and completely circumvented your seniority, then grew said airline. Trans States Holdings is not your personal airline. It is a privately owned airline and they can do whatever they want with their earnings. If you don't like the way they choose to spend their profits - go work somewhere else.
It should tell everyone something that gojet still has a hard time filling classes in this environment. Is any other regional having any trouble getting people in class? Yes, American Eagle is starting to hire 500/50 pilots because they are having problems filling classes.
You can do whatever you want. Maybe you will get ahead by going to Gojet. I won't. Even if it would result in me upgrading to NASA. Why? I have to look at myself in the mirror, and I don't want to be that level of hypocrite. If you worked for GM and Ford offered you a job with better equipment and better pay would you take it? Of course you would. Get off your soapbox.
I still stand for something. You do whatever you feel comfortable with, but if you go to Gojet I don't want to hear any complaining about scope or outsourcing or any of those issues ever again. "I still stand for something." - You work for TSA right? Tell us all how you are holier than thou when you work for a C list regional.
Part of the problem or part of the solution. - Exactly. The more the soldier ranks fight amongst themselves there will never be any unity. Management has you exactly where they want you.
I'm guessing you work for Commutair, if that's the case just imagine how you would feel if Commutair management took the money you earn for them and created another airline. Then hired for it and completely circumvented your seniority, then grew said airline. Trans States Holdings is not your personal airline. It is a privately owned airline and they can do whatever they want with their earnings. If you don't like the way they choose to spend their profits - go work somewhere else.
It should tell everyone something that gojet still has a hard time filling classes in this environment. Is any other regional having any trouble getting people in class? Yes, American Eagle is starting to hire 500/50 pilots because they are having problems filling classes.
You can do whatever you want. Maybe you will get ahead by going to Gojet. I won't. Even if it would result in me upgrading to NASA. Why? I have to look at myself in the mirror, and I don't want to be that level of hypocrite. If you worked for GM and Ford offered you a job with better equipment and better pay would you take it? Of course you would. Get off your soapbox.
I still stand for something. You do whatever you feel comfortable with, but if you go to Gojet I don't want to hear any complaining about scope or outsourcing or any of those issues ever again. "I still stand for something." - You work for TSA right? Tell us all how you are holier than thou when you work for a C list regional.
Part of the problem or part of the solution. - Exactly. The more the soldier ranks fight amongst themselves there will never be any unity. Management has you exactly where they want you.
#36
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#37
So according to the haters, I am to do the "right thing", sit right seat for 30k a year for then next 5 years and never get out, or do the "wrong thing", go to GoJEt, get my hours and at least 60k a year and have a better chance of moving on. Hmmm. Which one? Once in a while in order to succeed, you need to bet on the underdog. Also, If I was ever denied a JS or confronted about working there, it would not be pretty.
Do whatever you want to. Sell crack if you want to. But you need to live with the consequences.
And I am curious, just what would you do if you were denied a jump seat? I'd LOVE to see that.
#38
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So according to the haters, I am to do the "right thing", sit right seat for 30k a year for then next 5 years and never get out, or do the "wrong thing", go to GoJEt, get my hours and at least 60k a year and have a better chance of moving on. Hmmm. Which one? Once in a while in order to succeed, you need to bet on the underdog. Also, If I was ever denied a JS or confronted about working there, it would not be pretty.
It's not even about the whole history of GJ anymore, it's about undercutting other regionals. The pay is already well below of what we deserve, the last thing we need is more clowns going to places like GJ just to get their TPIC time (which I believe will be history in a few years anyway).
#39
Management takes money from me everyday ..... look at our pay scale sport. Ask some our veteran Captains about the ESOP program they totally got screwed over. What is the real problem in this industry? Management!
Scope issues - who are the ones negotiating here.
Jumpseating denial - Go ahead and be that guy. I am glad that you are OK with denying somebody a ride home just because of garbage from the past. How about if you were denied a ride home? What are you going to tell your wife, son/daughter the reason you can't make it home? I don't agree with all that TSA/GoJet crap from the past either but do I care enough to deny somebody a ride home. Heck No!
Scope issues - who are the ones negotiating here.
Jumpseating denial - Go ahead and be that guy. I am glad that you are OK with denying somebody a ride home just because of garbage from the past. How about if you were denied a ride home? What are you going to tell your wife, son/daughter the reason you can't make it home? I don't agree with all that TSA/GoJet crap from the past either but do I care enough to deny somebody a ride home. Heck No!
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