Gojet dilemma
09-01-2011, 06:59 AM
#102
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And says, sure maybe those scabs out there got ahead a little bit. But is proud to not be the brown eye of the industry. Helped to show the regulators guys like Lorenzo can never ever be in this industry again, and at least tried to prevent the management mentality that pilots could be sold out (at the time).
Sure the old man could be a 777 capt at somewhere like CAL if he had chose to be a scab. Instead he is a narrow body captain at UAL, but at least he doesnt have to think twice every single time he eats a crew meal, drinks from a cup passed up by the FA, or asks for a jumpseat. He stands behind the few good wages left in this industry, and made sure a guy like Lorenzo would never work in this industry again.
The joke will be on the GOJET guys when they interview at places, where people have the mentality that they are one step above a scab, and TRUST ME it is EVERYWHERE, even the mainline guys, esp those forever FOs that are less than 10 years away from being the people on the hiring board.
Just think back to the 90s, NO MAJOR wanted to hire a scab, because of the level of dispute it created in the work place. This isn't the last time you will see things like this. Everyone is in a big race to the majors, but when they do hire, they do not want PROBLEM, and GO-JET will STINK of them.[/QUOTE]
Right there. Perception is reality, and while the true back stabbing is many years passed, the perception is that GoJet pilots current and past are one and the same. So if you are really thinking about making the jump consider this:
1) This all magical TPIC will not be as much of a deal breaker for FO's as it has been in the past. In fact, if we can hang on and NOT let mainline outsource all of their domestic flying, I fully expect TPIC requirements to be waived completely in the next 2 years. Supply and Demand. A lot of good, competent Pilots have sitting right seat for 4+ years now and have a good understanding of the 121 world.
2) When in the HR room at that major interview you have waited your whole career for, perception of the type of flying you have done in your past, to include the company you flew for, will play a part in their decision to offer you employment. Regardless of your intentions for jumping to a place that is perceived industry wide the way GoJet is, what will stand out is the fact that you were willing to do that to further your career. How it is taking by an interviewer is a risk you cant control.
So in summation, In theory you will not need TPIC time to be hired at a Major Airline. With that in mind, one should think long and hard about how others perception will effect their reality in the interview.
Sure the old man could be a 777 capt at somewhere like CAL if he had chose to be a scab. Instead he is a narrow body captain at UAL, but at least he doesnt have to think twice every single time he eats a crew meal, drinks from a cup passed up by the FA, or asks for a jumpseat. He stands behind the few good wages left in this industry, and made sure a guy like Lorenzo would never work in this industry again.
The joke will be on the GOJET guys when they interview at places, where people have the mentality that they are one step above a scab, and TRUST ME it is EVERYWHERE, even the mainline guys, esp those forever FOs that are less than 10 years away from being the people on the hiring board.
Just think back to the 90s, NO MAJOR wanted to hire a scab, because of the level of dispute it created in the work place. This isn't the last time you will see things like this. Everyone is in a big race to the majors, but when they do hire, they do not want PROBLEM, and GO-JET will STINK of them.[/QUOTE]
Right there. Perception is reality, and while the true back stabbing is many years passed, the perception is that GoJet pilots current and past are one and the same. So if you are really thinking about making the jump consider this:
1) This all magical TPIC will not be as much of a deal breaker for FO's as it has been in the past. In fact, if we can hang on and NOT let mainline outsource all of their domestic flying, I fully expect TPIC requirements to be waived completely in the next 2 years. Supply and Demand. A lot of good, competent Pilots have sitting right seat for 4+ years now and have a good understanding of the 121 world.
2) When in the HR room at that major interview you have waited your whole career for, perception of the type of flying you have done in your past, to include the company you flew for, will play a part in their decision to offer you employment. Regardless of your intentions for jumping to a place that is perceived industry wide the way GoJet is, what will stand out is the fact that you were willing to do that to further your career. How it is taking by an interviewer is a risk you cant control.
So in summation, In theory you will not need TPIC time to be hired at a Major Airline. With that in mind, one should think long and hard about how others perception will effect their reality in the interview.
09-01-2011, 07:10 AM
#103
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I don't see how going to GoJet is so different to going to CAL. Nobody would call a new hire at CAL a scab would they? Of course not, that wouldn't make sense. CAL has scabs, sure, but what do the actions of some a bunch of years ago have to do with someone who got hired there recently? See where I'm going with this??
09-01-2011, 07:17 AM
#104
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Just take the job. If you want to work there, don't ask anyone's permission. Do it. Bite the bullet and let the chips fall where they may.
Just remember, you gotta live with the reputation. I banged a news anchor woman once and a fugly old hag. Guess which one my buddies remember.
I have some tolerance for the just out of flight school, don't know any better, FNGs who go there (they might get a ride, but they will get an ear full). But guys who previously worked in a union shop and have no problem working there now, better not b!tch either when they are snubbed or when their management forms a new company to undercut them.
Just remember, you gotta live with the reputation. I banged a news anchor woman once and a fugly old hag. Guess which one my buddies remember.
I have some tolerance for the just out of flight school, don't know any better, FNGs who go there (they might get a ride, but they will get an ear full). But guys who previously worked in a union shop and have no problem working there now, better not b!tch either when they are snubbed or when their management forms a new company to undercut them.
09-01-2011, 07:40 AM
#105
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In the passed yr we've had ppl go to jet blue, virgin, swa, delta (when they were hiring a few hrs back), and various cargo companies. The amount of pilots from UAL that We have networked with is going to prove to be beneficial in the future as well. GoJet affiliation hasn't seemed to hinder any career movement thus far......
10 yrs from now will also be a completely different generation of pilot, young and needing experience. How your future hiring board position that you plan on holding to Fulfill this vendetta is going to help, is beyond imaginable, and hilarious at the same time.
Right there. Perception is reality, and while the true back stabbing is many years passed, the perception is that GoJet pilots current and past are one and the same. So if you are really thinking about making the jump consider this:
1) This all magical TPIC will not be as much of a deal breaker for FO's as it has been in the past. In fact, if we can hang on and NOT let mainline outsource all of their domestic flying, I fully expect TPIC requirements to be waived completely in the next 2 years. Supply and Demand. A lot of good, competent Pilots have sitting right seat for 4+ years now and have a good understanding of the 121 world.
2) When in the HR room at that major interview you have waited your whole career for, perception of the type of flying you have done in your past, to include the company you flew for, will play a part in their decision to offer you employment. Regardless of your intentions for jumping to a place that is perceived industry wide the way GoJet is, what will stand out is the fact that you were willing to do that to further your career. How it is taking by an interviewer is a risk you cant control.
So in summation, In theory you will not need TPIC time to be hired at a Major Airline. With that in mind, one should think long and hard about how others perception will effect their reality in the interview.[/QUOTE]
10 yrs from now will also be a completely different generation of pilot, young and needing experience. How your future hiring board position that you plan on holding to Fulfill this vendetta is going to help, is beyond imaginable, and hilarious at the same time.
And says, sure maybe those scabs out there got ahead a little bit. But is proud to not be the brown eye of the industry. Helped to show the regulators guys like Lorenzo can never ever be in this industry again, and at least tried to prevent the management mentality that pilots could be sold out (at the time).
Sure the old man could be a 777 capt at somewhere like CAL if he had chose to be a scab. Instead he is a narrow body captain at UAL, but at least he doesnt have to think twice every single time he eats a crew meal, drinks from a cup passed up by the FA, or asks for a jumpseat. He stands behind the few good wages left in this industry, and made sure a guy like Lorenzo would never work in this industry again.
The joke will be on the GOJET guys when they interview at places, where people have the mentality that they are one step above a scab, and TRUST ME it is EVERYWHERE, even the mainline guys, esp those forever FOs that are less than 10 years away from being the people on the hiring board.
Just think back to the 90s, NO MAJOR wanted to hire a scab, because of the level of dispute it created in the work place. This isn't the last time you will see things like this. Everyone is in a big race to the majors, but when they do hire, they do not want PROBLEM, and GO-JET will STINK of them.
Sure the old man could be a 777 capt at somewhere like CAL if he had chose to be a scab. Instead he is a narrow body captain at UAL, but at least he doesnt have to think twice every single time he eats a crew meal, drinks from a cup passed up by the FA, or asks for a jumpseat. He stands behind the few good wages left in this industry, and made sure a guy like Lorenzo would never work in this industry again.
The joke will be on the GOJET guys when they interview at places, where people have the mentality that they are one step above a scab, and TRUST ME it is EVERYWHERE, even the mainline guys, esp those forever FOs that are less than 10 years away from being the people on the hiring board.
Just think back to the 90s, NO MAJOR wanted to hire a scab, because of the level of dispute it created in the work place. This isn't the last time you will see things like this. Everyone is in a big race to the majors, but when they do hire, they do not want PROBLEM, and GO-JET will STINK of them.
Right there. Perception is reality, and while the true back stabbing is many years passed, the perception is that GoJet pilots current and past are one and the same. So if you are really thinking about making the jump consider this:
1) This all magical TPIC will not be as much of a deal breaker for FO's as it has been in the past. In fact, if we can hang on and NOT let mainline outsource all of their domestic flying, I fully expect TPIC requirements to be waived completely in the next 2 years. Supply and Demand. A lot of good, competent Pilots have sitting right seat for 4+ years now and have a good understanding of the 121 world.
2) When in the HR room at that major interview you have waited your whole career for, perception of the type of flying you have done in your past, to include the company you flew for, will play a part in their decision to offer you employment. Regardless of your intentions for jumping to a place that is perceived industry wide the way GoJet is, what will stand out is the fact that you were willing to do that to further your career. How it is taking by an interviewer is a risk you cant control.
So in summation, In theory you will not need TPIC time to be hired at a Major Airline. With that in mind, one should think long and hard about how others perception will effect their reality in the interview.[/QUOTE]
09-01-2011, 07:48 AM
#106
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Rickt has a father who has been in this industry a very long time with UA, he has a good idea what he is talking about I would say. I know I have learned alot from my Parents who were both at pre- NWA during their strike and the old man was a strike coordinator. The fact is growing up around it and hearing stories you know better than to go to Gojet, and I know for a fact my Father knows who GoJet is and knows they are scum because we talked about it a few times. O and hes pretty disappointed with the fact they are flying for Delta now, does not think too highly of them, it is also a scope issue but thats besides the point. Just because were noobies doesnt mean were clueless."
Funny Gojet took in a lot of United furloughs knowing that they would be recalled. Are those guys scum too?? You can't have it both ways.
Funny Gojet took in a lot of United furloughs knowing that they would be recalled. Are those guys scum too?? You can't have it both ways.
09-01-2011, 07:50 AM
#107
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I think a lot of people are overlooking one big problem with this gojet flying.
Delta owns the airplanes.
Delta will most definitely have the right to pull those airplanes and give them to someone else if Gojet cant meet its performance metrics.
Gojet does not have the staffing and will still be incredibly understaffed when they start receiving these things next year.
Go-jet only has 30 airplanes (+/-)
They UNDER-bid Skywest/ASA/XJT which means that this flying is at a loss or the margins are incredibly thin.
Will Gojet be able to meet the performance requirements in their contract? To be quite honest I think this is a deal that was too good to pass up for Delta. The price was to good and is worth a shot (for delta) to see if it works out. I have seen the hardship caused by creating a new operation and the turmoil it creates within a company. I dont think Gojets will be flying these aircraft for the long term.
Delta owns the airplanes.
Delta will most definitely have the right to pull those airplanes and give them to someone else if Gojet cant meet its performance metrics.
Gojet does not have the staffing and will still be incredibly understaffed when they start receiving these things next year.
Go-jet only has 30 airplanes (+/-)
They UNDER-bid Skywest/ASA/XJT which means that this flying is at a loss or the margins are incredibly thin.
Will Gojet be able to meet the performance requirements in their contract? To be quite honest I think this is a deal that was too good to pass up for Delta. The price was to good and is worth a shot (for delta) to see if it works out. I have seen the hardship caused by creating a new operation and the turmoil it creates within a company. I dont think Gojets will be flying these aircraft for the long term.
09-01-2011, 07:58 AM
#108
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Hilarious. I flew with many Eagle pilots that stated the same about Trans Mistakes pilots. I flew for GoJet for over four years. I commuted all of those four years and I never got denied a ride by anyone including TSA. You guys keep puffing out your chests though. Great entertainment.
09-01-2011, 08:48 AM
#109
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Honestly reading this stuff it makes it seem like go jets pilots are scabs. There not, no different than anyone else at least now. The history of the airline was shady but the current group really had nothing to do with it. GJs is just is now, a place to get time and move on. Yea it sucks that there are competing certificates now but I'm not going to take out my frustration on a go jet pilot.
09-01-2011, 08:52 AM
#110
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So according to the haters, I am to do the "right thing", sit right seat for 30k a year for then next 5 years and never get out, or do the "wrong thing", go to GoJEt, get my hours and at least 60k a year and have a better chance of moving on. Hmmm. Which one? Once in a while in order to succeed, you need to bet on the underdog. Also, If I was ever denied a JS or confronted about working there, it would not be pretty.
Gojet jumpseater has a seat in the back of the plane, but never asked Captain if he can j/s, he just gets on. Plane fills up and now he has to ask if he can ride up front. Guess how you think that went over. He was left and that Captain will never take a Gojet j/s again.
Very next month, different Captain, plane is full and Gojet tells my Captain that he is "riding up front with us". Captain is not pleased with that. Then the Captain asked me, "hey, your former TSA, what do you think of this guy riding up front with us?". I told him it was his j/s, his decision. Gojet got left at the gate again.
This is just one airline out of many. Hope you don't commute?
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