What about gojet airlines
01-01-2011, 09:55 AM
#31
Sprung
Joined APC: Nov 2006
Posts: 674
So it comes down to two opposing stories.
One says the above - that it is complete BS and "simply do[es] not happen" and others who say they have seen it *personally* (possible even have been involved in some of the stories shared) or have at least heard stories.
It would seem to me (from an outsiders view and one of the reading public in this case) that saying that "these things simply do not happen" is no more accurate than someone else saying that it simply happens *all of the time*.
I'm sure that the truth probably lies somehwere between.
USMCFLYR
One says the above - that it is complete BS and "simply do[es] not happen" and others who say they have seen it *personally* (possible even have been involved in some of the stories shared) or have at least heard stories.
It would seem to me (from an outsiders view and one of the reading public in this case) that saying that "these things simply do not happen" is no more accurate than someone else saying that it simply happens *all of the time*.
I'm sure that the truth probably lies somehwere between.
USMCFLYR
01-01-2011, 10:44 AM
#32
Moderator
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: B757/767
Posts: 13,088
How can you be a mod and spread such flamebait? You've really payed that much attention to know that a "GoJets" pilot was unwelcome on a jumpseat however, not payed enough attention to know that THE NAME OF THE AIRLINE IS "GOJET" Isn't this forum about spreading knowledge?
It's "GoJet." Not GoJets.......
Everybody else in the forum....if you are going to fling poo at least get the name right. It makes you look stupid judging another pilot group when you can't even get the name right.
And no you really wouldn't talk all the bull you do on the internet to a GoJet pilot in person (no, this was not necessarily directed at you Johnso.) Do you internet warriors really have the stones to lecture them about how they are destroying the industry, going to get black marked or kicked off jumpseats, bla bla bla, to their face, when 5/6 of the pilot group are from major (or previously known as major) furloughed airline pilots. (ATA, kAir Midwest, United, Comair, America West, USAir, ASA, Air Force, Navy etc.) They're already been through the good days.... most of them CAN'T start over again at 52 working for a regional where the upgrade is 6+ years. So....they go where the quick upgrade is so they can stay in the industry. An industry they have already given their lives to.
Yes, there are the originals that jumped ship from TSA in the beginning that have propagated a bad name for the rest of the pilot group. Those people know who they are and they made a decision. Here it is the day before 2011. They still have a job, where the pilots who thought they were doing it "the right way" (ex. United, Comair, Air Midwest, ATA) are waiting for the day they will get called back to work.....and for most, will never happen.
To the original poster.....you do what you feel is best. Don't let some internet warrior intimidate you with false anonymity. It is good to get others opinions however, take it at that.......these are all opinions.
It's "GoJet." Not GoJets.......
Everybody else in the forum....if you are going to fling poo at least get the name right. It makes you look stupid judging another pilot group when you can't even get the name right.
And no you really wouldn't talk all the bull you do on the internet to a GoJet pilot in person (no, this was not necessarily directed at you Johnso.) Do you internet warriors really have the stones to lecture them about how they are destroying the industry, going to get black marked or kicked off jumpseats, bla bla bla, to their face, when 5/6 of the pilot group are from major (or previously known as major) furloughed airline pilots. (ATA, kAir Midwest, United, Comair, America West, USAir, ASA, Air Force, Navy etc.) They're already been through the good days.... most of them CAN'T start over again at 52 working for a regional where the upgrade is 6+ years. So....they go where the quick upgrade is so they can stay in the industry. An industry they have already given their lives to.
Yes, there are the originals that jumped ship from TSA in the beginning that have propagated a bad name for the rest of the pilot group. Those people know who they are and they made a decision. Here it is the day before 2011. They still have a job, where the pilots who thought they were doing it "the right way" (ex. United, Comair, Air Midwest, ATA) are waiting for the day they will get called back to work.....and for most, will never happen.
To the original poster.....you do what you feel is best. Don't let some internet warrior intimidate you with false anonymity. It is good to get others opinions however, take it at that.......these are all opinions.
Secondly, pardon my little GoJets.....oops....GoJet mistake. Make sure you never call it Delta Airlines. It's Delta Air Lines.
01-01-2011, 01:19 PM
#33
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2009
Posts: 474
Didn't the CEO of TransStates, and therefore GoJet, threaten to liquidate TransStates if they got released by the mediator overseeing their contract arbitration? A contract that has been under negotiations now for several years?
I guess if that CEO foes through with that threat, he will likely be whipsawing (again) the GoJet pilots against the TransStates pilots as I imagine that is where all the old TransStates airplanes will go. Do you want to work for a guy like that if there are other options available?
I guess if that CEO foes through with that threat, he will likely be whipsawing (again) the GoJet pilots against the TransStates pilots as I imagine that is where all the old TransStates airplanes will go. Do you want to work for a guy like that if there are other options available?
01-01-2011, 01:49 PM
#34
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Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: DD->DH->RU/XE soon to be EV
Posts: 3,732
As opposed to the shared one, that includes TSA pilots? I have a hard time accepting that it's because "their management cares about them". I have ZERO qualms accepting that it's to prevent conflicts caused by the animosity between the TSA, as well as other crews.
01-02-2011, 07:56 AM
#35
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Posts: 83
Again, you guys would bi^tch if your ice cream was too cold. Why don't you do YOUR job and quit worrying about everyone else's.
This website never ceases to amaze me at the actual LACK of information it provides. Instead it more so seems to promote more "water cooler" rumors and CRAP from puffy chest people that would never act this way away from the comfort of their keyboard.
This website never ceases to amaze me at the actual LACK of information it provides. Instead it more so seems to promote more "water cooler" rumors and CRAP from puffy chest people that would never act this way away from the comfort of their keyboard.
01-02-2011, 08:14 AM
#36
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2005
Posts: 622
Again, you guys would bi^tch if your ice cream was too cold. Why don't you do YOUR job and quit worrying about everyone else's.
This website never ceases to amaze me at the actual LACK of information it provides. Instead it more so seems to promote more "water cooler" rumors and CRAP from puffy chest people that would never act this way away from the comfort of their keyboard.
This website never ceases to amaze me at the actual LACK of information it provides. Instead it more so seems to promote more "water cooler" rumors and CRAP from puffy chest people that would never act this way away from the comfort of their keyboard.
Let's see, looks like you fly a CRJ for a UAL carrier, care to share which one?
01-02-2011, 09:36 AM
#37
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Posts: 83
All regional pilots want more money, I know. But to most of us, being at a regional is not a career company, it's a stepping stone. So why are you and your buddies wasting so much of your time screaming and yelling at everyone when we all know the day you get hired at a major (or your flying job of choice), you will care less about the bickering regional pilots.
01-02-2011, 09:53 AM
#38
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: 747 FO
Posts: 937
So it comes down to two opposing stories.
One says the above - that it is complete BS and "simply do[es] not happen" and others who say they have seen it *personally* (possible even have been involved in some of the stories shared) or have at least heard stories.
It would seem to me (from an outsiders view and one of the reading public in this case) that saying that "these things simply do not happen" is no more accurate than someone else saying that it simply happens *all of the time*.
I'm sure that the truth probably lies somehwere between.
USMCFLYR
One says the above - that it is complete BS and "simply do[es] not happen" and others who say they have seen it *personally* (possible even have been involved in some of the stories shared) or have at least heard stories.
It would seem to me (from an outsiders view and one of the reading public in this case) that saying that "these things simply do not happen" is no more accurate than someone else saying that it simply happens *all of the time*.
I'm sure that the truth probably lies somehwere between.
USMCFLYR
01-02-2011, 11:16 AM
#39
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: FAA 'Flight Check'
Posts: 13,839
IMHO, the difference is that those of us that look at the reality of the situation have no dramatic agenda (and no, I don't work/never have worked for GoJet). Whereas the folks that make up and/or perpetuate tales of proverbial blacklisting has the agenda of generating fervor for the purpose of spin and drama. It makes for more interesting message board reading. It's just the nature of online forums. It's not unlike, i.e. Fox News with their philosophy of generating spin at the expense of truth to bolster ratings.
I'll agree with the agenda part, but you were saying that those things DON'T happen, and I'm just not sure that they don't is any more an accurate portrayal of facts than saying they ALWAYS happen.
The 'defenders' you will often notice seem to come from the same place in the majority - those that you would EXPECT to defend; and there have been detractors from the ranks too.
I have no more reason to believe you that those situations don't occur and more often than I do the many others on this board who say they do.
Remember what size we are talking about here as a portion of the population. The small population overall that frequents internet message boards (demographic on top of that), and then the percentage within the forums who voice their opinions one way or another regarding this particular airline (even smaller still and often the same posters over and over again).
As for Fox news spinning things; that is a matter of opinion and seems to be directly related to political leanings which need to go no further on this post/forum. If you think spin is one-sided then there is no help.
USMCFLYR
01-02-2011, 04:10 PM
#40
Sprung
Joined APC: Nov 2006
Posts: 674
Again, you guys would bi^tch if your ice cream was too cold. Why don't you do YOUR job and quit worrying about everyone else's.
This website never ceases to amaze me at the actual LACK of information it provides. Instead it more so seems to promote more "water cooler" rumors and CRAP from puffy chest people that would never act this way away from the comfort of their keyboard.
This website never ceases to amaze me at the actual LACK of information it provides. Instead it more so seems to promote more "water cooler" rumors and CRAP from puffy chest people that would never act this way away from the comfort of their keyboard.
No one is forcing you to post here.
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