What about gojet airlines
12-30-2010, 04:03 PM
#21
alchemist
Joined APC: Apr 2007
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Air Willie, you know it is a G7 pilot by his/her uniform. The Hat brass is a Chromed version or the US airways reef, but it has a GoJet bar rather than the Airways flag, the wings are also a generic Chrome with an oval between the wings and GoJet stamped into the oval. Also their safety badge backer is yellow(I'll refrain from the yellow jokes)Trans States uses Orange for theirs.
STALKER!
wow, these guys got a target on their back!!
12-30-2010, 04:06 PM
#22
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Joined APC: Aug 2008
Posts: 999
Hey Michelle,
I will try to give you an unbiased opinion. I donīt work for GoJet but I do have furloughed friends that went there. I speak to them often about it since I am also furloughed and have an open invite from HR to interview there. GoJet is a terrible company. Management is constantly ignoring the contract and fires guys that they don't want as union reps and treats the pilots awful by ANY standards. The equipment is newer than most CRJ-200s and is barely maintained. There is about to be a bunch of movement at every regional, but GoJet pilots have been promised growth for years that has never materialized, and a few of their current pilots are United furloughees that will be returning to United probably about the time that every other major is hiring and thus every regional will be hiring. Still many more of their pilots are furloughees from other places and anyone furloughed from an ALPA carrier did not have to resign from those positions because GOJet isnīt an ALPA carrier because it was created to circumvent an ALPA contract. So that is the "good". The bad can not be understated though. While the bad reputation isnīt what it was when they first started up they are still talked about badly in the industry. My friends tell me they have never had anyone say anything to them directly. They also say they have never had an issue on a jumpseat. But I have heard that on a rare occasion there may be issues with other pilots when requesting a jump. BUT GoJet peoples are still talked about amongst pilots from other airlines. Mainly Union guys and TSA guys who are still bitter. I have not gone there because the meer fact that you have to ask what about GoJet tells me that people still have that negative conotation in their heads and I donīt want to be associated with it. The industry is openig back up. Recalls are happening. Airlines are hiring. There are and will continue to be better places to go if you have some patience.
I will try to give you an unbiased opinion. I donīt work for GoJet but I do have furloughed friends that went there. I speak to them often about it since I am also furloughed and have an open invite from HR to interview there. GoJet is a terrible company. Management is constantly ignoring the contract and fires guys that they don't want as union reps and treats the pilots awful by ANY standards. The equipment is newer than most CRJ-200s and is barely maintained. There is about to be a bunch of movement at every regional, but GoJet pilots have been promised growth for years that has never materialized, and a few of their current pilots are United furloughees that will be returning to United probably about the time that every other major is hiring and thus every regional will be hiring. Still many more of their pilots are furloughees from other places and anyone furloughed from an ALPA carrier did not have to resign from those positions because GOJet isnīt an ALPA carrier because it was created to circumvent an ALPA contract. So that is the "good". The bad can not be understated though. While the bad reputation isnīt what it was when they first started up they are still talked about badly in the industry. My friends tell me they have never had anyone say anything to them directly. They also say they have never had an issue on a jumpseat. But I have heard that on a rare occasion there may be issues with other pilots when requesting a jump. BUT GoJet peoples are still talked about amongst pilots from other airlines. Mainly Union guys and TSA guys who are still bitter. I have not gone there because the meer fact that you have to ask what about GoJet tells me that people still have that negative conotation in their heads and I donīt want to be associated with it. The industry is openig back up. Recalls are happening. Airlines are hiring. There are and will continue to be better places to go if you have some patience.
There, I fixed it fer ya! This is a much more realistic depiction of what it is actually like there. Most of it is like TSA except some parts are worse. MX is the exact same guys, so most of the time you will have multiple MELs. Upgrades are relatively non-existant. The huge difference is who you pay your dues to. At TSA and Compass, we pay our dues to a Union. For all the bad, they have your back when mgmt tries to fire you for a bogus reason. At GoJet, you'll pay your dues to a group of mgmt cronies that call themselves a union so that their pilots can say "we're union now!" In reality, you have no protection because 618 doesn't care. With all the other options out there right now and soon to be out there, you'd have to be pretty dumb to go there.
12-30-2010, 06:48 PM
#23
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Joined APC: Aug 2010
Position: 737 CA
Posts: 119
I'm an ex Waterskier and.........
I would strongly suggest you don't do it man. The people running TSA/Gojets are some of the most dishonest, backbiting people I have ever worked for. I'm definitely not talking about the pilots. The pilot group had some of the finest people I have ever had the pleasure of knowing and I did have a lot of fun there with my co-workers. The owner and the powers that be at the management level are who I had/have a problem with. There were so many instances where they would make things hard for you just because of the dynamic between labor and management. What I mean is, they would screw you just to screw you.
The maintenance (it was the same mechanics doing maintenance for both operations when I was there) was absolutely atrocious. It's not all the fault of the mechanics either. The company is run on such a shoestring that they'll just keep deferring stuff rather than taking the time/spending the money to fix things. Many, many, many times I flew airplanes with the logcan covered front and back with MEL stickers. I arrived shortly before Gojets came into being and it was heart wrenching watching growth/upgrades going to the guys that were willing to stab their former coworkers in the back by leaving TSA to go to Gojets. Management did a fantastic job breaking the will of the labor group by exploiting some wording in the contract to start Go Jets and using it to fly new business rather than grow the existing operation.
The gist of what happened was that the part of the TSA contract that dealt with scope said something to the effect of "All flying done by Trans States Airlines Inc. shall be performed by pilots on the TSA seniority list" Management had agreed to this contract granting us the right to any new flying that was acquired by the company in the future. Management figured out a way to renege on the agreement they had made by forming an entity called Trans States Holdings separate from Trans States Airlines. They could have called the new holding company anything else, but I think they called it Trans States Holdings to subtly thumb their nose at the pilot group and show us how unimportant we really were and that they could run the airline without us. Shortly after all this happened, furloughs from Trans States began. The first round was something like 30 guys. A few months later, they announced that they were furloughing like 60 more for a total of around 90 effective 2 weeks from the date of the announcement. Two weeks rolls around and the 60 additional guys take their furlough. Almost all of them got jobs at better places like Skywest, Expressjet, Chautauqua etc. before they ever actually hit the street from TSA. No exaggeration, 2 days after the furloughs, we were desperately short of pilots. They were junior manning everything in sight, management pilots were out covering trips, trips were being cancelled. After about 2 weeks of this, the company recalled all the furloughed pilots. Out of 90 or so pilots, 7 came back. That's not a typo. 7 pilots. I laughed my head off when this happened because their poor treatment of their employees actually cost them for once. Shortly after this, I elected to leave TSA and start all over for $19 an hour at Skywest because things just got worse and worse the longer I stuck around at TSA. I was willing to stick it out and suffer to build the time, but I eventually realized that any more time I invested in that place was likely to be for nothing. Quitting that job was one of the most satisfying experiences in my life so far.
When I arrived at Skywest, I was treated far more humanely. Although Skywest was still soul sucking in a way just because of the low pay, I no longer had contempt for my employer and could actually do my job in relative peace.
While I am an ex Waterskier, and feel that I was mistreated and betrayed by people that should have known better, I think I am pretty far from bitter. I have led a charmed life since I left that place and I fly right seat at mainline Continental, so I don't have anything to be bitter about. Looking back, I can't believe what I tolerated from that place and quitting was the best decision I ever made. The worst decision I made was not listening to the guys that had been there a few years telling me in the first week of new hire class to leave immediately. I just saw them as bitter and elected to forge ahead and make things work.
In summation, don't go to Go Jets because it's very existence is a cancer on the industry and I feel that people continuing to feed the machine is disgraceful to the profession. I know everyone has to start somewhere, but I feel like the other bottom feeder regionals are much more ethically sound places to work than Go Jets. You're an adult and can do what you want, but if you don't listen to those warning you, your punishment is that you have to work at GoJets (for uncle Hulie). If you go there, you'll see what I mean.
The maintenance (it was the same mechanics doing maintenance for both operations when I was there) was absolutely atrocious. It's not all the fault of the mechanics either. The company is run on such a shoestring that they'll just keep deferring stuff rather than taking the time/spending the money to fix things. Many, many, many times I flew airplanes with the logcan covered front and back with MEL stickers. I arrived shortly before Gojets came into being and it was heart wrenching watching growth/upgrades going to the guys that were willing to stab their former coworkers in the back by leaving TSA to go to Gojets. Management did a fantastic job breaking the will of the labor group by exploiting some wording in the contract to start Go Jets and using it to fly new business rather than grow the existing operation.
The gist of what happened was that the part of the TSA contract that dealt with scope said something to the effect of "All flying done by Trans States Airlines Inc. shall be performed by pilots on the TSA seniority list" Management had agreed to this contract granting us the right to any new flying that was acquired by the company in the future. Management figured out a way to renege on the agreement they had made by forming an entity called Trans States Holdings separate from Trans States Airlines. They could have called the new holding company anything else, but I think they called it Trans States Holdings to subtly thumb their nose at the pilot group and show us how unimportant we really were and that they could run the airline without us. Shortly after all this happened, furloughs from Trans States began. The first round was something like 30 guys. A few months later, they announced that they were furloughing like 60 more for a total of around 90 effective 2 weeks from the date of the announcement. Two weeks rolls around and the 60 additional guys take their furlough. Almost all of them got jobs at better places like Skywest, Expressjet, Chautauqua etc. before they ever actually hit the street from TSA. No exaggeration, 2 days after the furloughs, we were desperately short of pilots. They were junior manning everything in sight, management pilots were out covering trips, trips were being cancelled. After about 2 weeks of this, the company recalled all the furloughed pilots. Out of 90 or so pilots, 7 came back. That's not a typo. 7 pilots. I laughed my head off when this happened because their poor treatment of their employees actually cost them for once. Shortly after this, I elected to leave TSA and start all over for $19 an hour at Skywest because things just got worse and worse the longer I stuck around at TSA. I was willing to stick it out and suffer to build the time, but I eventually realized that any more time I invested in that place was likely to be for nothing. Quitting that job was one of the most satisfying experiences in my life so far.
When I arrived at Skywest, I was treated far more humanely. Although Skywest was still soul sucking in a way just because of the low pay, I no longer had contempt for my employer and could actually do my job in relative peace.
While I am an ex Waterskier, and feel that I was mistreated and betrayed by people that should have known better, I think I am pretty far from bitter. I have led a charmed life since I left that place and I fly right seat at mainline Continental, so I don't have anything to be bitter about. Looking back, I can't believe what I tolerated from that place and quitting was the best decision I ever made. The worst decision I made was not listening to the guys that had been there a few years telling me in the first week of new hire class to leave immediately. I just saw them as bitter and elected to forge ahead and make things work.
In summation, don't go to Go Jets because it's very existence is a cancer on the industry and I feel that people continuing to feed the machine is disgraceful to the profession. I know everyone has to start somewhere, but I feel like the other bottom feeder regionals are much more ethically sound places to work than Go Jets. You're an adult and can do what you want, but if you don't listen to those warning you, your punishment is that you have to work at GoJets (for uncle Hulie). If you go there, you'll see what I mean.
12-31-2010, 02:35 PM
#24
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: Professional Monkey Trainer
Posts: 309
It's "GoJet." Not GoJets.......
Everybody else in the forum....if you are going to fling poo at least get the name right. It makes you look stupid judging another pilot group when you can't even get the name right.
And no you really wouldn't talk all the bull you do on the internet to a GoJet pilot in person (no, this was not necessarily directed at you Johnso.) Do you internet warriors really have the stones to lecture them about how they are destroying the industry, going to get black marked or kicked off jumpseats, bla bla bla, to their face, when 5/6 of the pilot group are from major (or previously known as major) furloughed airline pilots. (ATA, Air Midwest, United, Comair, America West, USAir, ASA, Air Force, Navy etc.) They're already been through the good days.... most of them CAN'T start over again at 52 working for a regional where the upgrade is 6+ years. So....they go where the quick upgrade is so they can stay in the industry. An industry they have already given their lives to.
Yes, there are the originals that jumped ship from TSA in the beginning that have propagated a bad name for the rest of the pilot group. Those people know who they are and they made a decision. Here it is the day before 2011. They still have a job, where the pilots who thought they were doing it "the right way" (ex. United, Comair, Air Midwest, ATA) are waiting for the day they will get called back to work.....and for most, will never happen.
To the original poster.....you do what you feel is best. Don't let some internet warrior intimidate you with false anonymity. It is good to get others opinions however, take it at that.......these are all opinions.
12-31-2010, 06:08 PM
#26
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: EMB 145 Capt.
Posts: 101
And no you really wouldn't talk all the bull you do on the internet to a GoJet pilot in person (no, this was not necessarily directed at you Johnso.) Do you internet warriors really have the stones to lecture them about how they are destroying the industry, going to get black marked or kicked off jumpseats, bla bla bla, to their face...
01-01-2011, 07:44 AM
#27
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Position: 747 FO
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How can you be a mod and spread such flamebait? You've really payed that much attention to know that a "GoJets" pilot was unwelcome on a jumpseat however, not payed enough attention to know that THE NAME OF THE AIRLINE IS "GOJET" Isn't this forum about spreading knowledge?
It's "GoJet." Not GoJets.......
Everybody else in the forum....if you are going to fling poo at least get the name right. It makes you look stupid judging another pilot group when you can't even get the name right.
And no you really wouldn't talk all the bull you do on the internet to a GoJet pilot in person (no, this was not necessarily directed at you Johnso.) Do you internet warriors really have the stones to lecture them about how they are destroying the industry, going to get black marked or kicked off jumpseats, bla bla bla, to their face, when 5/6 of the pilot group are from major (or previously known as major) furloughed airline pilots. (ATA, Air Midwest, United, Comair, America West, USAir, ASA, Air Force, Navy etc.) They're already been through the good days.... most of them CAN'T start over again at 52 working for a regional where the upgrade is 6+ years. So....they go where the quick upgrade is so they can stay in the industry. An industry they have already given their lives to.
Yes, there are the originals that jumped ship from TSA in the beginning that have propagated a bad name for the rest of the pilot group. Those people know who they are and they made a decision. Here it is the day before 2011. They still have a job, where the pilots who thought they were doing it "the right way" (ex. United, Comair, Air Midwest, ATA) are waiting for the day they will get called back to work.....and for most, will never happen.
To the original poster.....you do what you feel is best. Don't let some internet warrior intimidate you with false anonymity. It is good to get others opinions however, take it at that.......these are all opinions.
It's "GoJet." Not GoJets.......
Everybody else in the forum....if you are going to fling poo at least get the name right. It makes you look stupid judging another pilot group when you can't even get the name right.
And no you really wouldn't talk all the bull you do on the internet to a GoJet pilot in person (no, this was not necessarily directed at you Johnso.) Do you internet warriors really have the stones to lecture them about how they are destroying the industry, going to get black marked or kicked off jumpseats, bla bla bla, to their face, when 5/6 of the pilot group are from major (or previously known as major) furloughed airline pilots. (ATA, Air Midwest, United, Comair, America West, USAir, ASA, Air Force, Navy etc.) They're already been through the good days.... most of them CAN'T start over again at 52 working for a regional where the upgrade is 6+ years. So....they go where the quick upgrade is so they can stay in the industry. An industry they have already given their lives to.
Yes, there are the originals that jumped ship from TSA in the beginning that have propagated a bad name for the rest of the pilot group. Those people know who they are and they made a decision. Here it is the day before 2011. They still have a job, where the pilots who thought they were doing it "the right way" (ex. United, Comair, Air Midwest, ATA) are waiting for the day they will get called back to work.....and for most, will never happen.
To the original poster.....you do what you feel is best. Don't let some internet warrior intimidate you with false anonymity. It is good to get others opinions however, take it at that.......these are all opinions.
All of this talk of denied jumpseats, ID's turned around, GoJet pilots not getting hired at majors, being shunned on hotel vans etc. is all complete BS coming from message board drama queens. Knowing 2 GJ pilots/ATA refugees that commute all of the time, these things simply do not happen. That's the reality.
There is exactly zero ethical difference between working at GoJet and any other regional airline. Sure, their initial cadre of pilots were questionable because they signed on to circumvent TSA's seniority. However, that is long past.
For you regional pilots condemning GJ, remember what they say about people in glass houses.
01-01-2011, 08:17 AM
#29
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: FAA 'Flight Check'
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Very well said.
All of this talk of denied jumpseats, ID's turned around, GoJet pilots not getting hired at majors, being shunned on hotel vans etc. is all complete BS coming from message board drama queens. Knowing 2 GJ pilots/ATA refugees that commute all of the time, these things simply do not happen. That's the reality.
There is exactly zero ethical difference between working at GoJet and any other regional airline. Sure, their initial cadre of pilots were questionable because they signed on to circumvent TSA's seniority. However, that is long past.
For you regional pilots condemning GJ, remember what they say about people in glass houses.
All of this talk of denied jumpseats, ID's turned around, GoJet pilots not getting hired at majors, being shunned on hotel vans etc. is all complete BS coming from message board drama queens. Knowing 2 GJ pilots/ATA refugees that commute all of the time, these things simply do not happen. That's the reality.
There is exactly zero ethical difference between working at GoJet and any other regional airline. Sure, their initial cadre of pilots were questionable because they signed on to circumvent TSA's seniority. However, that is long past.
For you regional pilots condemning GJ, remember what they say about people in glass houses.
One says the above - that it is complete BS and "simply do[es] not happen" and others who say they have seen it *personally* (possible even have been involved in some of the stories shared) or have at least heard stories.
It would seem to me (from an outsiders view and one of the reading public in this case) that saying that "these things simply do not happen" is no more accurate than someone else saying that it simply happens *all of the time*.
I'm sure that the truth probably lies somehwere between.
USMCFLYR
01-01-2011, 09:08 AM
#30
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Joined APC: Oct 2005
Posts: 622
The fact remains that no other regional acts as such a lightning rod for heated discussions both here and on aviation forums everywhere as GoJet. That alone should tell you something.
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