GoJet offers preferential hiring, lower mins
07-13-2006, 10:58 AM
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A little more clarification.
Originally Posted by DjHubberts
Um... Just for fact clarification.... I do believe that TSA is currently FURLOUGHING pilots, while BloJets is picking up more and more of their flying and routes. Wouldn't that be considered stabbing your fellow pilots (under the same management no less) in the back and taking their jobs????
This is just capitalism "the american way" and a industry shift. These 121s are starting to realise that they don't need unions and they will get pilots for burger flipper pay. (Which you can see with more of these non-union LLC's popping up. And if someone doesn't like it- there will always be some sucker willing to step up for a chance to live the dream.
Now, I'm not anti union or pro union for that matter. I'm just calling what I see. The glory days are over. If people are so upset about this they might consider changing their careers.
07-13-2006, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by loudgarrettdriver
How is some low timer new to the industry supposed to know about all this union crap. When they have bills pilling up- and see a job open up- what are they supposed to do? Work at Wallmart until the tides change.
I knew the perils of crossing a pilot group ALL through my pilot training. How can you not? After all if you're trying to become an airline pilot you try to keep current with the issues.
I did turn down an interview with Gojet and decided to throw boxes until something else turned up. I did have mounting bills, but chose to stay in good standing with the pilot group. One pilot told me long ago "Watch who you step on today, you may be asking them for a job tomorrow."
07-13-2006, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by loudgarrettdriver
How is some low timer new to the industry supposed to know about all this union crap. When they have bills pilling up- and see a job open up- what are they supposed to do? Work at Wallmart until the tides change.
Almost all of the 200 hour kids at mesa's PFT program knew better than to take the freedom offer.
Originally Posted by loudgarrettdriver
Which you can see with more of these non-union LLC's popping up.
Originally Posted by loudgarrettdriver
Now, I'm not anti union or pro union for that matter. I'm just calling what I see. The glory days are over. If people are so upset about this they might consider changing their careers.
1) get paid Sh*t;
2) Fly 19 seat turbo-props;
3) For 2-3 years;
4) Then upgrade to a major (and big bucks).
2,3, and 4 have gone out the window, but the newbies didn't get the word...everybody with a vested interest needs to help educate them whenever possible. The regional will likely be your career, if you are willing to fly a large RJ for peanuts in hopes of a "fast upgrade" you are a sucker! What good is the upgrade going to do if your large RJ has taken over the route flown by the mainline plane that you needed the PIC to get into?
Obviously it's going to take some time to re-adjust contract pay-scales, but it will happen. Students are starting to turn away from aviation due to the poor compensation and limited future at a regional.
07-13-2006, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by directbears
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For what its worth, I liked flying with the TWA folks (most of the time) more than the AA guys. The TWA folks seemed to have a much better attitude and were easier to get along with. But you guys did b!tch about some stuff that I found rather hard to swallow.
Good luck on getting out of that joint. Why not try SWA or AirTran? Or go freight.
For what its worth, I liked flying with the TWA folks (most of the time) more than the AA guys. The TWA folks seemed to have a much better attitude and were easier to get along with. But you guys did b!tch about some stuff that I found rather hard to swallow.
Good luck on getting out of that joint. Why not try SWA or AirTran? Or go freight.
Directbears,
Thank you for the compliment. The beetching was probably all AA/TWA "non"-integration related. As to whether it's worse than what the Eagle pilots have endured is probably a matter of perspective.
Perhaps SWA. I'd have to be in my twenties still to make a run at AirTran as I believe that when they're deliveries stop, so do the upgrades. There's a lot of guys my age sitting in the Captain seat at AirTran.
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07-13-2006, 06:30 PM
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This happened to me, luckily a Skywest friend called a day after I accepted an interview slot. Told me to read ALPA's website and to do the research before going. Only had to read ALPA's letter, called them back and declined the offer.
Seriously, skypest isn't anywhere near the realm of blojets, but that is kind of funny!
07-14-2006, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Almost all of the 200 hour kids at mesa's PFT program knew better than to take the freedom offer.
Good for them. What about the ones that did- are they scumbags?
An LLC is a Limited Liaibility Company, usually made up of 1-6 business partners...I don't think they ever have unions lol
I never said they would for unions. My point was this being the new trend of non union airlines.
What is driving the race to the bottom is the traditional assumption that brand-new airline pilots would:
1) get paid Sh*t;
2) Fly 19 seat turbo-props;
3) For 2-3 years;
4) Then upgrade to a major (and big bucks).
What is driving the race to the bottom is airline management has wised up to the fact that no matter how sh*tty the pay and terrible the QOL- someone will always jump at the oppertunity. Hense- capitalism.
2,3, and 4 have gone out the window, but the newbies didn't get the word...everybody with a vested interest needs to help educate them whenever possible. The regional will likely be your career, if you are willing to fly a large RJ for peanuts in hopes of a "fast upgrade" you are a sucker! What good is the upgrade going to do if your large RJ has taken over the route flown by the mainline plane that you needed the PIC to get into?
Obviously it's going to take some time to re-adjust contract pay-scales, but it will happen. Students are starting to turn away from aviation due to the poor compensation and limited future at a regional.
Good for them. What about the ones that did- are they scumbags?
An LLC is a Limited Liaibility Company, usually made up of 1-6 business partners...I don't think they ever have unions lol
I never said they would for unions. My point was this being the new trend of non union airlines.
What is driving the race to the bottom is the traditional assumption that brand-new airline pilots would:
1) get paid Sh*t;
2) Fly 19 seat turbo-props;
3) For 2-3 years;
4) Then upgrade to a major (and big bucks).
What is driving the race to the bottom is airline management has wised up to the fact that no matter how sh*tty the pay and terrible the QOL- someone will always jump at the oppertunity. Hense- capitalism.
2,3, and 4 have gone out the window, but the newbies didn't get the word...everybody with a vested interest needs to help educate them whenever possible. The regional will likely be your career, if you are willing to fly a large RJ for peanuts in hopes of a "fast upgrade" you are a sucker! What good is the upgrade going to do if your large RJ has taken over the route flown by the mainline plane that you needed the PIC to get into?
Obviously it's going to take some time to re-adjust contract pay-scales, but it will happen. Students are starting to turn away from aviation due to the poor compensation and limited future at a regional.
07-14-2006, 06:54 AM
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New Pilots
Overall pilot starts are down due to a reduction in hobby pilots. The market for airline wannabes is stronger than ever and growing. Young kids don't stop to think about the future. All they know is that the neighbor boy went from delivering newspapers to flying an RJ in 18 months. Hence the growth.
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07-14-2006, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyer00
Thats funny. . .did he do that himself before he went to skypest, or did I miss the news that they got a union??
Seriously, skypest isn't anywhere near the realm of blojets, but that is kind of funny!
Seriously, skypest isn't anywhere near the realm of blojets, but that is kind of funny!
Don't get me wrong, our profession by it's very nature inherently requires unions, but in a largely union world there is always room for a company or two that voluntarily meets the standards set by the union shops, without the inconvenience of actually having a union on board. Best of both worlds!
Skywest management has wisely treated their folks better than industry standard...if it ain't broke, don't fix it!
07-14-2006, 01:32 PM
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Just don't go to G0jet. It's not worth it. Even if you think they're all saving their families from a slow and certain death or they're all just doing what blah blah blah... It's not worth it.
At the very best, no one is disputing this fact: your potential boss (hk) is a total d*ck and will treat you like sh*t, and you'll get passed around like a dollar wh*re and many in this industry will see you that way.
Just don't do it. It's not worth it.
At the very best, no one is disputing this fact: your potential boss (hk) is a total d*ck and will treat you like sh*t, and you'll get passed around like a dollar wh*re and many in this industry will see you that way.
Just don't do it. It's not worth it.
07-14-2006, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
It seems to me that the hiring trend at the regionals has been to avoid hiring experienced pilots. My guess is that young new hires with few hours will become an indentured servant for longer and will have fewer complaints. I wonder when the majors will pick up on this?
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