Bond

Bingo! Kudos to you my friend, and while I fear our words will fall on the deaf ears of the three gojetters; anyone considering joining their ranks will hopefully get the picture.

flyinaway411

exactly! thank you!

although...i wonder...will air willie get furloughed from gj and recalled from tsa in the same day. that could make history!

Bond

Amen, wouldn't that just be poetic justice?

Pilotpip

I would hope that there are enough waterskiers out there that would just as soon see that place burn before they have those scum back on their seniority list.

BTW, our captains don't usually say weight, O2, or anything like that. They just flat-out tell them no.

Frank was right.

island style

As a former waterskier (if you couldnt already tell), i agree with Bond's statement. GJ pilots may be getting hired at the majors now but its only because current recruiters are not quite educated about the debacle. I would like to be a recruiter at my current airline and invite a GoJetter to the interview just to question his/her moral character. GoJetters look out for themselves and only themselves. If I had one in my right seat and we had to do a carpet dance, I would expect to get thrown under the bus by the scum. That is my impression of all of them and thats why I wouldnt hire them.

Remember, future waterskiers and friends will soon be the recruiters of the future. We Remember.

Fly Gal

Now things are getting nasty!

Copperhed51

While I agree with the basics of what you're saying, my point that all regionals/regional pilots are guilty of bringing down airline pilot QOL is still valid. None of us should be flying the equipment we're flying for such horrible wages, schedules, etc. Every regional pilot who argues so strongly for looking out for the pilot community as a whole is a complete hyporcite. If you refused to fly a jet for substandard wages, the flying would go back to the majors and wages would go up, thus benefiting all of your fellow pilots. Instead everybody decides that picking on GoJet pilots is the best way to better the industry.

In psychology, hypocritical behavior is closely related to the fundamental attribution error: individuals are more likely to explain their own actions by their environment, yet they attribute the actions of others to 'innate characteristics', thus leading towards judging others while justifying ones' own actions.

Scapegoating is the act of holding a person, group of people, or thing responsible for a multitude of problems.

"Scapegoating is an effective if temporary means of achieving group solidarity, when it cannot be achieved in a more constructive way. It is a turning inward, a diversion of energy away from serving nebulous external purposes toward the deliciously clear, specific goal of ruining a disliked co-worker's life. ... Mobbing can be understood as the stressor to beat all stressors. It is an impassioned, collective campaign by co-workers to exclude, punish, and humiliate a targeted worker. Initiated most often by a person in a position of power or influence, mobbing is a desperate urge to crush and eliminate the target. The urge travels through the workplace like a virus, infecting one person after another. The target comes to be viewed as absolutely abhorrent, with no redeeming qualities, outside the circle of acceptance and respectability, deserving only of contempt. As the campaign proceeds, a steadily larger range of hostile ploys and communications comes to be seen as legitimate."

Sure, some regionals are better than others. But I still contend that there is no good regional...otherwise everybody's goal wouldn't be to get in, do their time, and get the hell out.

Also, if you're so worried about furloughed TSA pilots getting their jobs back, why do you care if they do it with GoJet or TSA? If they go to GoJet, they'll be making more money than they were before and basically everything else they had in their TSA contract would be equivalent. Eventually, if TSA calls them back, they leave GJ and pick up where they left off at TSA. They built hours, made money, got experience, and cost TSH thousands of dollars in training money along the way. If you ask me, you should be recommending TSA furloughees go to GJ. But then again, we don't want to introduce any kind of reality or logic into this whole situation.

AirWillie

You say you're a former waterskier. Judging by this paragraph I'm thinking that you basically have no idea how or why GJ was formed. Especially the last sentence which is ridiculous because first, there will never be a shortage of pilots, and second of all it is impossible to merge TSA and GJ because AA scope doesn't allow it. Again I keep saying it, GJ has HIGHER wages and a better contract than TSA so I'll let you ponder that one, after all we're screwing everyone.

Believe me a year ago I was against GJ, mostly because I was reading around forums like these and read the pilots being equated to "scumbags" and that going there is a career ender. I'm pretty sure there are many out there right now that are getting the wrong impression. Example, a buddy of mine applied about 2 months ago but asked me if going to a non-union airline is bad. Obviously he didn't know much about GJ but only heard things. I actually got into the airlines, actually BECAME a pilot, played the union game, and found out for myself what GJ really is.

Bond

No one is using gojets as a scapegoat, that would imply an absence of guilt; and gojet pilots are guilty of both working for an Alter Ego and stabbing the TSA pilots. It's that simple, no need to write a paper about it.

Again, look at the odds, so far in this thread 15 people have participated, and only two are defending this unethical outfit...what does that tell you about the general concensus?

AirWillie

Thanks... buddy. For filling in things I didn't say...