Flyboy8784

Hey man....dont put words in my mouth....I dont complain day in and day out about how the regionals suck. Again...I love my job....I really really enjoy what I do, and I wouldnt trade it for anything.

I do however think that certain Regional Airlines "Suck". And they should be avoided at all costs.

I, along with the help of my fellow employees and the majority of the pilots on this forum are trying to educate you young bucks before you decide where you want to work.

Just because Gojets is hiring doesnt mean its your ticket out of the CFI world....

JetJock16

Yes some do complain and they complain a lot; just remember that those who got into this industry for the wrong reasons will, after a while and for their sake, find their way out. After all, "I'd rather fail at something I love than succeed at something I hate." But complaining about what CEO's like Hulas and Orenstein are doing to this industry and how SJS’r like yourself could and are helping them bring this industry down is not the same type of complaining that you are talking about. Speaking out against CEO's like Orenstein and Hulas is one way to better our futures. How? By trying to educate others who are blind (ignorant......respectfully) to their tactics and how they are negatively effecting the industry with the hopes that they will choose not to go there thus forcing these shotty CEO's to reevaluate and improve their ways. They thrive on the fact that you and many others are willing to fly for food stamps........................remember that Orenstein said, "as long as there are resumes on my desk, pilots are overpaid."

You are young and you have no idea what you're talking about. You may believe you do but you don't. After several years in this industry as an FO, an upgrade and several more on reserve all while dealing with a BS subpar contract and shotty Mgmnt group you will finally understand what we are say but it will be to late. You will have paid a price that noone should have to pay.

I don't want to discourage you..........I love what I do and I enjoy who I work for. Some say that we at SKW drink way to much Kool-Aid but how could you not when your Mgmnt team continually works with you to better your QOL (quality of life), keep your total compensation among the top and will do whatever they can, including using a large amount of their Cash on Hand, in order to not place one pilot/employee on the street. Why do you think that SKW and ASA haven’t announced furloughs, yes it could happen but it’s highly unlikely. Now, that’s Atkins for you.............do you actually think Hulas will do the same? NO!!!!!!! He's doing it right now to TSA and he did it when he created GJ. The same goes for JO when he created Freedom A.

You will learn one way or another, I just hope for your sake you can see through the BS on the forum and actually listen to the facts. If you don't then you will end up another grumpy, poorly paid pilot who can't wait to get out. Yes you may think your "love for flying" is enough, but it can be squashed after years and years of abuse from a crappy Mgmnt group.

Now you may say that every regional has crappy pay but I beg to differ, you’re continuing to show your ignorance (respectfully) by only looking at the hourly rates although they to can be better. For example, I fly around 900-950 hours per year but I average around 1200-1250 hours of pay (credit) per year all with an average of 14-16 days off per month and I'm a JR line holding CA. Our work rules add up and they add up quick.

Here is a link I started a long time ago............read it.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...ns-please.html

Good Day,

JJ16

BURflyer

Well this whole thing might come to an end because apparently IBT and ALPA are talking. About what? The higher ups are saying it's because GJ and TSA are getting a new contract. Who knows but the only thing we care about is the merging of seniority lists. If indeed that's what's happening, I can't even begin to think how they'll deal with it.

Bond

Stappling gojets to the bottom of the TSA list seems like the right thing to do.....what a glorious day for pilots around the country that would be.

Talk about poetic justice!

BURflyer

Yea I'm sure that's going to happen. After all there are TSA Captains now who weren't even at TSA when GJ was started..... Even if they merge the list, nothing would change we're still going to be flying for the respective certificate with different equipment. What would be ironic is if ALPA agrees with the GJ contract. I'm sure they won't because that would totally make them look stupid for screwing a brotherhood out of more flying only to agree to the flying 3 years later. If it actually does happen it will only mean that they admit to being the cause for the GJ/TSA debacle. It's just amazing how things change, GJ was evil when things were fine at TSA, now that they're looking at downing suddenly GJ becomes a friendly place to negotiate with. Honestly when will people get it. If you're looking for quality save your time for the higher end regionals, you won't get it from uncle HULAS.

stobelma

Its been said once and I will say it again. Your love for flying will get you through probably your first month of flying. Try doing the same thing over and over, going to the same overnights, and putting up with the same BS everyday. Its not the love of flying. All in the meantime, one mistake could end everything. 20K a year does not cover the risk that if you mess up, all the time, effort, and MONEY you put into this career has just gone to waste. You honestly do not have the experience to be telling us that the love for flying is everything. Let us know when you go to your first regional and spend every holiday including the days before and after in a hotel room. Oh by the way, everything is closed to you will be eating your holiday dinner out of a vending machine. A love for flying will not alone get you through that. Trust me.....thats when you will be saying, "I'm not paid enough to put up with this BS!"

Secondly....I hope young guys are reading these things and learning from an early age that going to a sellout airline is wrong. Just because they are hiring, does not make them good. The fastest route from the beginning may not turn out to be so great down the road.

If you want to fly airplanes really bad, go become a doctor and buy your own. It will be way more fun. We sit and monitor airplanes at this point. the amount of actual flying is minimal.

Lastly, watch out looking on this website about hourly wages. I will make 50% more this year than that calculator even got close to and it is all because of work rules. Do not fall into the trap that $23/hr is the same everywhere because it is not. I make far more money off of work rules than I do off of actual flying. This website is a horrible way to estimate pay, go talk to pilots from all the airlines and they will tell you what you will make.

BURflyer

Everyone has been there chief, you're not stumbling on to a genius argument there. It's called paying your dues. Honestly what is your argument? Are you one of those guys that constantly complains about life and work from the moment he checks in until he checks out?

stobelma

Your right, its not a genius argument, but telling people money means nothing and that the love of flying will get you through everything is 100% incorrect. People with that kinda of an attitude are the ones who will take any job no matter what kind of money they make and drag the industry standards down.

Riverside

Don't be putting words in my mouth. I just said money shouldn't be the determining factor in choosing an airline. I like the pacific northwest and I enjoy flying out here. So one would assume I would pick maybe Horizon. Are you mad that I make more money that you do, even though I'm a flight instructor? Just because you pick a airline a like to bend you over, you don't have to take it out on other people.

JetJock16

Horizon is a good company and best of luck when you get hired in 5 years and then enjoy your 3 years on reserve and a 10 year upgrade.

BTW, the "are you mad that I make more money that you do" is a really childish comment. Yes there are instructors who make good money but I wouldn't through that around unless instructing and becoming a DPE is your life’s goal and even then you need to be more mature. Otherwise you will have to start at a regional and you will make poor wages for your valuable time.

There’s an old saying in aviation “arguing with a pilot's like playing with a pig in the mud……………………after a few hours you realize he likes it.” In other words there are 3 things in this world that pilots do great…………………drink, complain and …………………… we’ll you get my drift.

Good Day.

Note: I'm not a complainer, never have been, but I understand why others would be.