Bond

It's not just this forum, check around. It's a great indicator of the industry concensus....gojets = contract workers. Sorry buddy, but that's just how it is.

Bond

Once again no surprises there. No one is asking you to do anything, this thread isn't about you, but thank you for lending your opinion, and for speaking for 99% of your co-workers. I am sure you really have the pulse of every pilot in your company.

Spooled

Don. Allowing Go Jeters on your cockpit shows poor judgement and lack of command authority. Captains need to have both of those...

bne744

Agreed, GoJet is the scum of this industry and allowing them to jumpseat on you is giving in to the kool-aid drinking people that go there and work for a scum bag company

mooney

The way I read it is that he and many others don't have too big a problem with newbies going to GoJet anymore, Its that you and Willie, historically 2 of the biggest *****ers about GoJet/Mesa/other "lower tier" regionals, are now there. This thread would not have gotten this far had they been giving their opinion to a newbie. And I don't think it would surprise any of us if you also applied at Mesa, even though you all continually bash them too.

mooney

I apologize if that post make no sense that's what 3 hours sleep, 4 hours of sim flying in circles on one engine for your PC at 4 am, and 4 beers will do to you at high noon... Point is if you are gonna talk trash about the place, dont go there when it is convenient for you and then act all defensive/it's a great place to be!

de727ups

"but thank you for lending your opinion"

You're welcome. You seem to think I shouldn't be expressing it here. Why is that?

"I am sure you really have the pulse of every pilot in your company."

Naw, just calling it as I'm seeing it, day in, day out.

"Allowing Go Jeters on your cockpit shows poor judgement and lack of
command authority"

Now there's one that's really laughable....

Again, I think it's wrong to use the jumpseat to push a personal agenda. It can easily screw over somebody else in your pilot group down the road. The proper way to go about banning Gojeters from the jumpseat would be to have them removed from an airline's reciprocal jumpseat list. The jumpseat is, of course, part of Captains authority. But there is a price to pay when you start playing games with that.

Mowgli

So I guess you are just glossing over what TSA’s as you so eloquently put it back stabbing there fellow ALPA airline American Eagle in the back. Seems like the conscious is that once your company has a stain on there reputation it never goes away. There has got to be a period at which you have to say, it is what it is. Your going to get an ulcer if you keep wallowing in this.

Look at Southwest. When they started out they were condemned as bottom feeders. They were going to ruin the industry! American and I think Branif actively tried to wipe them out. More recently American tied desperately to prevent the repeal of the Wright amendment. I have never heard of a American pilot having problems jumpseating on Southwest or vise versa. They seem to realize that they are in no more control of there own companies actions than I am of the weather. So why take it out on your fellow pilots?

The point being almost all companies in there past have done things that might not be totally ethical. American Eagle was 5 separate companies, merging them into one did not work out as well as people hoped. Look at Sky West flying 70 seaters for 50 seat pay for a time. I’m sure that people can come up with many more examples.

Oh and speaking of jump seats. There is nothing in the jump seat agreements about denying seats because you don’t like something about that person, or where they work. If we are going to go that route why stop just at companies we don’t like? Lets go all the way here.

Political affiliation: the next election is going to be very important, and if that jump seater is not going to vote the right way well just boot him/her off.
Maybe we don’t guns in the cockpit, boot the FFDO’s off.
How about the people who are nearing age 60 but are going to work till 65. These people are screwing up my movement to a major, lets boot them off also.
And then the standbys, race, religion and gender.

It’s kind of a slippery slope here, especially when most companies out there are not totally squeaky clean. A little digging can bring up dirt on most companies out there.

Nobody after being denied a jump seat will suddenly say “oh I work for an undesirable company” and quit. All you are really doing hurting the commuters, jeopardizing your jump seat agreements and frankly being rather petty punishing someone for the choice of employment. If that is your thing I at least hope that you are wearing a black shirt with the white skull on it, and hence forth we can just call you the jump seat punisher.

de727ups

"All you are really doing hurting the commuters, jeopardizing your jump seat agreements"

This is what really bothers me. Gojet happens to fly Louisville to Chicago. That's Mecca to Chicago for UPSer's. Say I refuse a Gojet Capt trying to get to work one day and he decides, for the rest of his days at Gojet, to not take another UPSer. Now, if the Gojet pilot haters are right about Gojeters not having any shot at moving up in the biz, I guess that Capt might be denying UPS pilots for a very, very, long time.

I just don't think it's right to subject the rest of my pilot group to harm because of my personal agenda.

Copperhed51

Why do people keep claiming to be trying to help TSA pilots by being anti-GoJet?

If you believe GoJet is responsible for taking away a guy's job at TSA, then trying to keep a the furloughed TSA guy from getting an available job is not a particularly good way to help him. Blacklisting him for the rest of his career is not going to help him. Denying him your jumpseat is not going to help him.

What's the real motive here? I'd venture to say the motives are pretty selfish ones. You aren't attempting to help anybody but yourself. Since you think that GoJet is bringing down the industry, you think it will affect your pay and your quality of life. People need to quit trying to pretend they're upset because they want to help the TSA guys. It's most definitely not helping me.