POPA

The rest of us won't deign to speak to you for any reason.

Dog Breath

Okay guys, before this thread heads down the toilet, please remember what APC's co-founder said just a few posts ago:

Keep it civil or don't post!

jaded

RedBaron, are you GoJet?

flynavyj

The new gojet contract is essentially the same as the current trans states contract, perdiem is 10 cents higher, block or better seems identical (which is different than i'd heard "rumored" ) Reserve credit is the same. As a pilot group (in terms of how treated by management) I'd expect something very similar to TSA also, so you can look to all the TSA posts on here to get an idea as to how management will treat you. The management team at Trans States Holdings (of which Gojet is a part) is hostile, anti-worker, and often ill-informed (aka, if they're wrong, they'll try to convince you they're right even if they know they're wrong....they've also been known to lie to your face, directly, and as calmly as if you were discussing the weather)

I'm hoping that your interest in the company is for your own "informational" knowledge base. If you're legitimately interested in working for the company i'd like to know why. There are probably a few gojetters on the boards looking around, but, there's typically not many posts by them, most likely for fear of flak fired by the opposing parties.

Something i would note though, and i'm sure you have. There are bad comments made about many of the different pilot groups on here. There are plenty of people who dislike skywest because they're non-union. Plenty of people who hate Mesa for bad work rules, or Colgan for the same and poor pay.Expressjet for the blind love of the branded flying, and the company's stance that it's making tons of $$. TSA is disliked because of it's terrible management group, and their creation of the alter ego airline, gojet. We all have little things we nit-pick with each other about when it comes to the others airline, however, there's a pretty unified attitude amongst the industry about their opinion on Gojet, and that should give you an idea as to where the company stands in the opinion of the rest of the industry.

I also don't think that you'd have much trouble getting hired at another company after leaving gojet. I personally do know several ex-gojetters who are now working for different major airlines. Here's the issue though (as i see it) Gojet is a pretty small pilot group, very small actually and only a fraction of the size of many other airlines. If (what seems like) a majority of regional airline pilots have a dislike for Gojet, and this majority of pilots will also make up the vast majority of regional and major pilots in the future, then the vast majority of regional and major airline pilots in the future, will also have a dislike for gojet and their pilot group, which mike make life at the major you're hired at, not as enjoyable as it could be.

And to finish my book, as j3gibbon said

"I have only gotten flak from another pilot once and I do wear my ID properly like every other professional aviator."

Well, i can honestly say that I have never received ANY flak from ANY pilot, normally am greeted with a smile, nod, or simple "what's up", which is what YOU should expect in an industry of brethren, as opposed to simply being the black sheep.

exwaterski

It sounds like you just want someone to tell you it's okay to work for Go Jet. Well it's a free country you don't need anyone's permission. If nothing else matters to you except how much heat you're going to take for it then it sounds like you might be just the kind of person they're looking for. It's sort of like asking a thief if it's okay to steal. You are the only one who has to look at yourself in the mirror. If Go Jet is really what you want no one here is stopping you.

denramp

Red Baron,

What you will get is what I have found. Pilots that work for GoJet will say that it is the same as any other regional as they have pilots from American Eagle, ASA, Pinnacle, even a lot of ex TWA guys.

The ex trans states guys that moved over believed that they got a good offer from management but the MEC at the time was so arrogant and impossible to deal with that he ruined the whole deal.....about thirty pilots went over and at the time all they had were five airplanes. The rest of the pilots had to be hired off the street. I have also heard the vote was close but to not take the flying won over.


Now Trans States pilots that rejected the deal say that it was horrible, no block or better, no raise, horrible work rules and take it or leave it attitude from management because we will do an end run around you if you don't like it.

The question is which story do you want to believe because information from both sides comes from people that were there.

One thing I do know is that a lot of their captains have moved on to Delta, Jet Blue, Fed Ex, UPS, and Southwest so this so called TSA web holding you at GoJet forever does not exist.

Yes, Some people will not like you but most do not care. I have talked to many pilots on the ramp in Denver.

I say, if someone will give you a job....take it work hard for them and then move on best chance you get.

L'il J.Seinfeld

Blah, blah, blah... None of you GoJet haters has given a reason why you hate Go Jet. I'd really like to know as well. I came from the military straight to UPS like many others here. I've asked many of the capts and FOs I have flown and jumpseated with about Go Jet and none of them have ever heard of it.

So someone educate the ignorant on why Go Jet should be shunned.

exwaterski

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flynavyj

UPS says we've got new aircraft coming on property, but, we can't afford to pay you what you were currently making if we're going to be able to fly the airplanes, infact, you'll take a cut, and CA wills now be paid FO rates, and FO will get SO rates, SO's will get a new rate to be determined. Your good work rules are out the window so we can "over-utilize" you, but, you can sleep at night to know that we have the added airplanes on property.

You say "No, we'd rather keep things how they are as opposed to lose everything we've got for the sake of a couple airframes"

Management say, ok, and starts UP-ed, which is flying the UPS planes for less than the UPS rate, and controlled under UPS management.

Suddenly, UPS pilots are flipping off UP-ed Pilots, and peeing on their tires at the outstation.

exwaterski

flynavyj,

I don't think he's really that stupid. Maybe just a little bit too much time off. When UPS "Holdings" starts "GoBrownJet" and starts sending new aircraft orders there I'll be sure and send them a resume and see how Jer-Bear likes them apples. Don't be so arrogant to think you're above it all Jerry. Laughing while you look down at us from your ivory tower is at the very least inviting some pretty bad kharma.