de727ups

"Keep spreading the lies and I will continue to show everyone what this website is about until I get the boot."

You get to post. The other guy gets to post. Opinion is what it is.

If you'd like to give yourself the boot, just walk away. Won't bother anybody......

Senior Skipper

Wow. Last time I checked, we were at 12 pages. Now it's 31. People really are passionate about this one.

md11phlyer

Apples and Oranges 'Rook. If the $15 an hour job I took circumvented any unionized pilot group then I could understand your comparison. The fact is that it didn't. My regional wasn't created to undercut another pilot group's honest attempt at raising the bar at the regional level, thus promoting the profession as a whole. That's what guys like you and Blackwing don't get. GoJet and Freedom were UNION BUSTING tactical decisons made by management to lower the bar even further. By taking a job there you may be taking 'two steps forward' over another regional but you didn't have to pay for the 'two steps back' taken by all of the TSA and Mesa pilots due to these alter-egos.

Atreyu

denramp and blackwing really need to read the book "Flying the Line".

You two really need to research what sacrifices pilots have made in the 20th century to try and secure this as a professional career, rather than just a trade (like a bus driver).

And I'm really tired of hearing that TSA stole Eagle's flying. TSA was flying for TWA as their express feeder. TWA was then bought out by AA, should TSA have just closed their doors and moved on? Or taken the flying that was given to them by AA? I'm surprised you don't bash Chataqua for "stealing" that same flying from Eagle as well.

Also, TSA used to fly for United back in the 90's known as UFS, or United Feeder Service.

And if our 50 seat jets are really "stealing" flying from mainline guys, then lets take 737's from ORD-MLI, and ORD-MKE, or how about ORD-ROA. I'm sure they'd love to put 40 people on a 737 at a time cuz that's cost efficient...or hey, let's put 50 people on an MD-80 from STL-SPI on the AA side!

Blackwing

Thanks, I own both volumes.

If this were really a profession, starting wages would be higher than working the drive-thru at In-N-Out Burger.

andy171773

You say this, and we all agree...but yet you are backing a management move that undercut a pilot group. Gojet accepted the flying, initially, for FAR lower wages than TSA would've eventually won, and FAR lower than the industry standard.

Every CBA should be a step up, this one was several back. What one airline gets in a contract, affects every single airline out there. Management feeds off of each other, they look at other scenarios to see what they can get away with. It set an ugly precedent.

Atreyu

Surprised you're supporting Go Jets when the book clearly shows so many companies that did the same thing that Trans States did to it's pilots. Book talks about pilots being unified and sticking together, but you can go to Go Jets, but you'll know why everyone gives you the stinkeye. Ignorance is one thing, but what you'd be doing is just scabbing

Atreyu

I really think the two are trolling actually. They're just trying to stir everyone up to argue about the issue

Blackwing

Talk about ignorance.

Scabbing is flying struck work, PERIOD. Lotta people around here throw that term around awfully casually, applying it to anything they deem distasteful. It's not working at an unpopular company, it's not being "anti-union", it's not working for substandard wages (or you'd all be scabs). Such misuse diminishes the severity of the term, something to think about.

No, not a troll, I'm actually a pilot investigating all my options, and when all the anti-GoJet rhetoric that I see out there has more holes in its reasoning than a piece of swiss cheese, I have to raise a B.S. flag and continue my search for the truth.

Foxcow

I am still curious.