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Old 02-28-2008, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by SmoothOnTop
1. I don't know when GJ started, for the sake of this discussion let's say Jan. 2007. What if a new regional (commuter) airline started in Dec. 2006 with CRJ7s based where GJ started and contract flying for UAL with the same QOL & pay - would the pilots that joined this new commuter airline be openly or covertly screwing fellow pilots?

2. Then this Jan. (2008) this new airline unionized and brought the QOL & pay up to the teamster's negotiated contract with GJ -would the pilots for this new commuter airline be openly or covertly screwing fellow pilots??

3. Two years from (2010) this new airline brings alpa on the property and matches or exceeds your or Skywest's QOL & pay - would the pilots of this new alpa CBA commuter airline be openly or covertly screwing fellow pilots?
Absolutely not. But I don't know how you can compare your independent startup carrier to GoJet, an alterego TSA carrier to circumvent a CBA. They are competely different things, and that's what I mean by honest/dishonest competition and screwing fellow pilots. We all know why GoJet was created. It is not even in the same category as a new startup. In this case, the end does not justify the means. In my, and most 121 pilot's opinions, GoJet's beginning is all that matters.
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Old 02-28-2008, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by denramp
Fact is....Majority of people on here are crybabies...

Fact...I don't like crybabies....

Draw your own conclusion...crybaby
You are losing any credibility that you might have ever had.
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Originally Posted by atlmsl
You are losing any credibility that you might have ever had.
He never had any =)
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Old 02-28-2008, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by atlmsl
Absolutely not. GoJet's beginning is all that matters.
Mesa's original Freedom did the same thing and the ALPA CBA later prevented any future spin-off's from happening.

Does TSA have CBA language to prevent direct spin-offs (alter-ego), have they learned (assuming contract was ammendable) from the YV sit.?
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Old 02-28-2008, 08:32 PM
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No Credibility???

Trans States on five different occasions said no to flying that would give them a 5 dollar an hour payraise along with leg by leg block or better.

Now they are constantly crying that they where screwed by GoJet pilots.

TSA...YOU said NO.....quit your crying.....
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Old 02-28-2008, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
Believe me, if they weren't smart and did their homework prior to showing up in class, they sure as heck find out first week.

At that point, I wouldn't hold anything against them to get the type, get a couple hours, and bail to somewhere else.
Sounds like a plan.
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Old 02-28-2008, 10:11 PM
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Hey man if you like undercutting the industry, disrespecting the profession and hindering progress then go for it. Ask the TSA guys what they think about what you should do.
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Originally Posted by denramp
No Credibility???

Trans States on five different occasions said no to flying that would give them a 5 dollar an hour payraise along with leg by leg block or better.

Now they are constantly crying that they where screwed by GoJet pilots.

TSA...YOU said NO.....quit your crying.....
You have no credibility cause you don't know what you are talking about.

Did you see with your own eyes what TSA MGT offered the pilots?

As I mentioned in a previous post, it was SIXTY FIVE CENTS an hour!!!!!

I had a vote, you didn't.

Working on the ramp is a hard job, I know I did it for a few years, but never did loading bags on an airplane give me first hand working knowledge of pilot contracts.

In my opinion until you "walk a mile in another man's shoes" do you have the right to judge and criticize.

Your just making uneducated ASSumptions.
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Originally Posted by denramp
No Credibility???

Trans States on five different occasions said no to flying that would give them a 5 dollar an hour payraise along with leg by leg block or better.

Now they are constantly crying that they where screwed by GoJet pilots.

TSA...YOU said NO.....quit your crying.....
So someone offers you a crap deal and you don't take it, then its your fault they offered you a crap deal?

You must me one of those "take what ever is offered" chumps. So your company shows up tomorrow and says "you have to work 6 days a week, minimum 80 hours to get benefits now. But its a good deal, we'll pay you $0.25/hr more. If you don't take it then we'll just go outsource the work and you can take a hike." You work the ramp, how would it feel to be outsourced to one of those Baffoon Squads like Swissport or AIS because they are either too dumb or just don't care?

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Originally Posted by 15789
I can't think of a clearer example than what happened at ROC one day early on this winter. This involved the F'n Dirtbag air line and Air Wiskie.

ROC Tower: Air Wisconson #XXXX Follow the blue and white CRJ taking runway 24.

Air Wisconson: You mean GoJet??

ROC Tower: Afirmative.

Air Wisconson: Ok, We'll follow the scabs!


Nuf said!
You regional fella,s a bit brutal on these guys are you not?
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