Unpolitical opinion on GoJet
02-27-2008, 09:03 PM
#182
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You do know that prior to the U.S. invasion of Iraq, a majority of Americans believed Saddam shared responsibility for 9/11, simply because Bush kept repeating it over and over and over again, right? Lots of people are of the opinion that the bible is the word of God, but that doesn't make this opinion a fact.
Right. Your fight is with Hulas and the original guys, period. I'm not making excuses for Hulas or the TSA pilots who sold out their buddies when they jumped ship; you're certainly entitled to take issue with them, deny them jumpseats, whatever makes you feel better. But to take out your wrath on pilots who came to the party much later and had absolutely nothing to do with any past shadiness is simply petty and vindictive, and reflects poorly on the profession. If you're goig to fault them for taking a job with Orenstein-esque management, keep in mind that you TSA guys did the exact same thing.
There's one universal truth in business: success comes at someone else's expense. Virtually every company has a shady past; the ones you think don't are just better at concealing it, or it was so long ago that no one remembers it anymore. And that goes for TSA, too.
Right. Your fight is with Hulas and the original guys, period. I'm not making excuses for Hulas or the TSA pilots who sold out their buddies when they jumped ship; you're certainly entitled to take issue with them, deny them jumpseats, whatever makes you feel better. But to take out your wrath on pilots who came to the party much later and had absolutely nothing to do with any past shadiness is simply petty and vindictive, and reflects poorly on the profession. If you're goig to fault them for taking a job with Orenstein-esque management, keep in mind that you TSA guys did the exact same thing.
There's one universal truth in business: success comes at someone else's expense. Virtually every company has a shady past; the ones you think don't are just better at concealing it, or it was so long ago that no one remembers it anymore. And that goes for TSA, too.
Agreed that success comes at another's expense, but there are accepted ways to gain that success. This country prides itself on capitalism; honest competition. I believe society looks down on dishonest competition. The fact that the vast majority of pilots feel that GoJet is dishonest competition has a strong influence. Does it make it fact? Perhaps not. But it's certainly not an absurd argument considering the evidence at hand.
02-28-2008, 04:13 AM
#183
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02-28-2008, 08:50 AM
#185
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This isn't about ALPA. This isn't about RJ pay scales. This is about a company circumventing the pilots union by setting up a holding company to avoid negotiation. We can go around and around on this all day long. All you guys are doing are using diversionary tactics by implying that Go Jet guys aren't to blame, the real villian is (fill in the blank): ALPA, RJ's, regional pay scales, George Bush, alien conspiracy, etc. etc. It's not working. The blame falls solely at the feet of TSA management and the Go Jet pilots who made a choice.
02-28-2008, 09:07 AM
#186
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02-28-2008, 09:17 AM
#187
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I will only agree that TSA managment is to blame. As far as blaming GJ pilots, then alot of the other regionals are to blame for taking flying away from AE, ASA, Comair, and all the regionals are to blame for taking the flying away from Majors/Legacy's. It's a circle. As I said I have friends that fly for GJ and I would DARE the TSA pilots or other regional pilots to go and put the blame on them. It will be funny since the majority of the guys I know at GJ were ex TWA or AA and some military. Basically been around before a lot of the 10-20 year old TSA, SKW and other regional pilots were even born. Blame managment, not pilots. Your working for a dollar more or less than everybody else.
You deserve your scumbucket G7 friends.
02-28-2008, 09:25 AM
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Not sure why they didnt want block or better and a Five dollar an hour raise to fly a 16 seat bigger jet...how much more is Mesaba getting for the 900...how bout Skywest...how bout Pinnacle?
02-28-2008, 09:47 AM
#189
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I will only agree that TSA managment is to blame. As far as blaming GJ pilots, then alot of the other regionals are to blame for taking flying away from AE, ASA, Comair, and all the regionals are to blame for taking the flying away from Majors/Legacy's. It's a circle. As I said I have friends that fly for GJ and I would DARE the TSA pilots or other regional pilots to go and put the blame on them. It will be funny since the majority of the guys I know at GJ were ex TWA or AA and some military. Basically been around before a lot of the 10-20 year old TSA, SKW and other regional pilots were even born. Blame managment, not pilots. Your working for a dollar more or less than everybody else.
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