HSLD

There seems to be enough posts on this board that someone might want to scrape them and produce an article/position paper on GoJet. I'd be happy to publish the results as an article on APC.

Please PM me if interested, team efforts are encouraged (we set-up a document collaboration account and a small group can contribute).

Blackwing

You do know that prior to the U.S. invasion of Iraq, a majority of Americans believed Saddam shared responsibility for 9/11, simply because Bush kept repeating it over and over and over again, right? Lots of people are of the opinion that the bible is the word of God, but that doesn't make this opinion a fact.

Right. Your fight is with Hulas and the original guys, period. I'm not making excuses for Hulas or the TSA pilots who sold out their buddies when they jumped ship; you're certainly entitled to take issue with them, deny them jumpseats, whatever makes you feel better. But to take out your wrath on pilots who came to the party much later and had absolutely nothing to do with any past shadiness is simply petty and vindictive, and reflects poorly on the profession. If you're goig to fault them for taking a job with Orenstein-esque management, keep in mind that you TSA guys did the exact same thing.

There's one universal truth in business: success comes at someone else's expense. Virtually every company has a shady past; the ones you think don't are just better at concealing it, or it was so long ago that no one remembers it anymore. And that goes for TSA, too.

denramp

I have seen very little valid information on this thread....Mostly opinion from crybabies that only know how to cry.

I've always believed that a pilot needs an Airplane more than an Airplane needs a pilot.

All of you entitled crybabies will never understand this.

POPA

The vast majority of rampers are barely qualified to throw bags, let alone comment on the state of the aviation industry and the pilot groups who are part of it. You seem to be part of the vast majority.
Don't you have a plane to not marshal in?

SmoothOnTop

Ouch...wake-up call on wrong side of bed??

Dog Breath

Calm down guys. Let's not let this get out of hand. Keep it civil. Thanks!

POPA

*I just finished a very long and mentally exhausting four-day,
*I'm tired of rampers who don't want do work,
*I'm tired of gate agents trying to pin delays on the crew, and
*I'm tired of people defending GoJet pilots.

exwaterski

Wow I think I actually agree with most of that. That is everything except for the part about not holding a grudge against the Go Jet pilots who came to the party late. Sorry they knew what they were signing up for when they took the job and I'm not about to let them off the hook that easily. Accepting a job at Go Jet is not the same as taking a job at any other bottom feeder regional. By working at Go Jet you are directly stabbing another pilot group in the back. In essence giving the finger to the world. They are not the victims here. They made a choice. If you go there on your own free will knowing the history and controversy surrounding that place don't expect a reward for your poor decision or a sympathetic ear from other pilots. For every 250 hour pilot taking a job at Go Jet there are a thousand who didn't. I have no sympathy for any of them.

ImperialxRat

I know this is not quite the same thing, but it just came to mind while I was reading this...

If you buy stolen merchandise... as in your KNOW its stolen, then it's true that your not a thief. You didn't go out and steal it yourself. However, your still responsible for aiding the thieves by keeping them in business, and you sure as hell know that what your doing isn't legit.

So sure... The original TSA scum that helped start up GoJets are the thieves, and every pilot that joined GoJet after that is the buyer. So please don't defend them... they knew what they were getting into when they joined the company. They're just so selfish that they could care less -- They want a cheap bargain to benefit themselves at the cost of others.

reevesofskyking

I said somewhat the same thing a few months ago. I do not speak too much on the the startup of the airline because I was not there to see it happen. I just learn from my CA's that were directly impacted by it. I disagree with blackwing on the statement that we are being vindictive to anyone that goes there after the startup, or after their contract which ever event he meant. I forgot how posted the link to their contract, and thanks to who did, I had not read it before, just heard hearsay about it.

Read through the damn thing and see how they have done their best to protrect themselves at the expense of TSA.

Did anyone read that reduction of assests that reduce the pilot group, those displaced pilots get job offers with pay and senority at TSA. Tell me how this is not directly screwing another pilot group.

This may not be a problem now, but things take a down turn, now my job is directly threatened by THEIR CBA, not mine.
anyone that applies to go jets with that CBA in place is threatening my job, and that of other TSA pilots.

The excuse that they do not know this information is becoming increasingly less of an argument. I find the information the same way any other person gathering information for job would. It is online, easy to find now, was well as contracts of other companies. So what if they do not take the time to research it, not my problem for the lack of research, but that weight is on their shoulders, not mine.

All of this may not be problem now, wait down the road, I think this could be a very big fight.

Reeves