L'il J.Seinfeld

Why are you being such a jerk? The world does not revolve around you and/or GoJet. My post was 100% serious and flynavy actually did something very useful and explained the situation. I'll be a little more thoughtful about the encounter if I ever come across a GoJet pilot. I live in no "ivory tower". Doesn't a CBA prohibit an airline from starting another airline to circumvent the agreement. GoBrownJet could never be created because it violates out CBA which means it would be illegal.

Emb170man

I like chocolate....I would say that 98% of the US population likes chocolate. I guess you could say that it would be an "Opinion" if I said that Chocolate tastes good.

Point is, if an overwhelming amount of folks are in agreement about something, it starts leaning away from opinon and into the factual realm.

TheGreatChecko

That's what the guys at TSA thought. Having a CBA is no protection these days.

It's just another reason this airline is such a mistake and so dangerous. GJ is illegal, but because they had different websites or some lame excuse along those lines, it was allowed to exist.

I'll let one of them chime in with the details as I only watched on the sidelines in St. Louis as the whole thing went down.

exwaterski

Checko explained it nicely. And your statement "GoBrownJet could never be created because it violates our CBA which it means it would be illegal" is what I mean when I say "ivory tower". Lawyers can find a way around anything, a contract isn't worth the paper it's written on without the solidarity of the pilot group. In your attack you actually made my point. I agree the world does not revolve around me or Go Jet, this is about ALL of us.

Joeshmoe

Why? Because you and the other GoJet sympathizers are getting BURIED with logic? Thats right, fold up your tents and go home when you get behind.

Shrek

I have intimate knowledge of this point - I was MEC right after this WAS negotiated in principle. Let me explain - the rate was Industry standard plus 3-5% for the 70 seat rates at that time.

All was set to go and the paperwork the fat-man sent us was for 70-70+seat rates. We negotiated for 70 seat rates period. To allow THAT huge a hole in the payscale would have been a disaster. Hulas MGT would have expoited that to the FULLEST extent. When we sent back the paperwork - the GoJet "hiring" started.....etc.

And by the way - this was BEFORE they knew they were getting 700s, no decision had been made at the time. So go talk to your GoJet pals and see if they can try to change history again and get back to me.

No matter what shade of lipstick you put on that pig - it is still a pig. And as stated before - the 20 or so pilots that went over there to allow this mess to start do not have the right to ever call themselves former TSA pilots. They were just sores-in-training.

icarosF1

If it's all about us, my friend I hate to inform you but, we put ourselfs in that position and our ALPA did nothing about it. my opinion, the race to the bottom did not start with GJ and believe me it's not GJ who is bringing the standards down. It's all the regional pilots that accepted jobs with 18, 20, 25, 30 USD per hour. And the saddest of all is we are arguing behind a screen while unions enjoying our contributions for what ? I don't see them fighting for our pay scale. I admit I am not a big ALPA supporter, I do believe in Unions, not Associations. Always my opinion

flaps 9

Delta's MEC created this animal not guys looking for a job.

We all can't or want to fly in the millitary.

exwaterski

This isn't about ALPA. This isn't about RJ pay scales. This is about a company circumventing the pilots union by setting up a holding company to avoid negotiation. We can go around and around on this all day long. All you guys are doing are using diversionary tactics by implying that Go Jet guys aren't to blame, the real villian is (fill in the blank): ALPA, RJ's, regional pay scales, George Bush, alien conspiracy, etc. etc. It's not working. The blame falls solely at the feet of TSA management and the Go Jet pilots who made a choice.

Joeshmoe

So explain to the rest of us how circumventing a contract when you don't like the answer to fly nonunion is akin to regional pilots accepting low paying jobs. I agree we do work for wages that should be alot higher but comparing that to starting an alter ego is really baffling. One is a shame, the other is illegal.