Blackwing

So your hearsay is more credible than his? And you call ME delusional...

Blackwing

It's only interesting if you believe getting around your union was the only reason they were hired.

Honestly, you guys have got to learn to think critically, questioning even your own viewpoint when necessary and revising it when appropriate. Nobody has all the information, all the time.

Joeshmoe

Not heresay when I sat with 3 good buds, all TSA pilots, all either lost a 4 stripe chance or were flat out put out of a job because of the GoJet whipsaw and fed em all beers until they could forget about the backstabbing for a few hours. Its no joke. And yes, you are delusional. Keep up your arguments based on nothing but your feelings. I know, why don't you try and form this argument with a room full of TSA pilots and see what happens. Enjoy your glass ceiling at the regionals.

TrevorW

"It was also nice of them to negotiate 50 seat pay rates, just in case ALPA pilots wouldn't do it cheap enough. Thats a nice whipsaw now, makes it hard to get a good contract when GoJet will do it for less."

http://airlinepilotcentral.com/optio...temid,112.html

Actually, the GoJet 50 seat rate would give the TSA pilots a pay raise.

Pilotpip

A guy that flies for gojet is telling us to think critically? You gotta think before you can get to the critical point. Were you there when the CBA that was at or below every other 70 seat operation and nearly every 50 seat operation was signed? Pretty sad that most existing contracts had been negotiated years earlier.

GJ's pay is horrible for the equipment, and I know their bennies are terrible. Trans States Holdings doesn't believe in giving an incentive to stay. Why would they give any to Hulas's redheaded stepchild?

If it was such a great place to work, they wouldn't still be hiring direct entry captains. If it were such a great company, they'd be adding United flying. If they were such a great company, their pilots would have "gojet" bag tags. Not "United Express" tags. They wouldn't have to hide their ID's and say "I work for Trans States Holdings" when asking for a ride.

grossole

Just saying, it creates a ceiling. Its hard to argue for anything higher than that, when the flying can be transferred rather easily.

Blackwing

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I don't fly for GoJet.

Next....

Blackwing

^ Non sequitur argument. The fact that it's already higher shoots down your argument.

grossole

How so? we have been in negotiations for quite some time. How could we ever attain anything higher than the GoJet 50 seat rates? If we try for anything more, TSH just says "we'll give the flying to GoJet"

Blackwing

Because of the GoJet whipsaw, or because your MEC flat-out refused to negotiate a reasonable rate for the 700s? I submit it's due to the latter.