SmoothOnTop

backstabbing???

back in the '30s they were literally stabbing each other and cutting control cables!!

Joeshmoe

The bolded statement above is a painful example that you have ALOT to learn. Do a little more research into the formation of GoJet before you try to marginalize what was done by stating everything is "opinion" or "false". As stated before they went after a CBA because the management WAS so aweful.......doesn't negate the fact that they were formed for the sole purpose of undermining the Trans States pilot group. Again, do your research before you put up any more factless "opinions" yourself. We don't just pick random pilot groups to shun like the plague. There's most often a VERY good reason.

RightSeatDude

All that does is make Air Wisconsin look childish and unprofessional. Radio communications aren't the place to resolve such issues. Hopefully that Air Wisconsin crew will rethink their approach.

Blackwing

Differentiating between opinion and fact doesn't marginalize that opinion in the slightest--unless you're intentionally trying to blur that distinction and represent said opinion as if it were fact, which is the mark of an intellectually dishonest person.

There you go again, labeling opinion as fact. Let me spell it out for you: undermining the TSA pilot group may or may not, in fact, have been a purpose behind creation of GoJet, and it may or may not have been the SOLE purpose. That's only half the story, as I understand it.

And equally as often, there isn't a good reason at all, just a bunch of people quick to jump to conclusions and walk off a logical cliff because "all the cool kids are doing it."

Joeshmoe

(shaking head). Ok then what is the other half of the story......AS YOU UNDERSTAND IT???

For your information I have close friends who either lost a stripe or lost a job due to the formation of GoJet so don't tell me its because of what "the cool kids are doing" Friggin insult man.

Blackwing

Not gonna do your homework for you, man; the information's out there, knock yourself out.

denramp

I am going to give you a FACT that nobody from TSA will ever admit except a friend of mine that this happened to.

FACT furloughs that happened back in summer of 06 at TSA where ONLY, I REPEAT ONLY because of Continental flying that they did not get.

They were all told they would be back in September after the last Jetstream was to be retired.....In September they recalled everone, but 80 percent found other jobs.....

From one that was there....

grossole

Interesting to vote in a union after being hired to get around our union. It was also nice of them to negotiate 50 seat pay rates, just in case ALPA pilots wouldn't do it cheap enough. Thats a nice whipsaw now, makes it hard to get a good contract when GoJet will do it for less.

Joeshmoe

Fact based on heresay from a friend. Sorry but its not the reason chief.

exwaterski

Well since we're giving everyone a history lesson... Is it not true that Go Jet was hiring while TSA was furloughing and downgrading Captains? And is it also not true that the furloughees were offered jobs at Go Jet? And not a single one of those furloughees accepted the offer? Lost Continental flying has nothing to do with the fact that Go Jet was growing while TSA had pilots on the street. I have no problem with the company operating multiple certificates, the problem is it should be and always should have been TSA pilots flying those airplanes.

As for the contract that you're so proud of... I heard the company threatened to give all the flying to Trans States pilots if Go Jet didn't accept the rates they were offering. Sort of a "reverse" whipsaw. And everyone already knows the company insisted on putting 50 seat rates in their as well. So tell us again how Go jet doesn't negatively effect the industry or TSA pilots more than any other regional?