FollowMe

If you have such an extensive history of the management team, did middle management leave voluntarily or were they let go? Rhetorical of course, 100% of them left voluntarily, and all have landed well on their feet elsewhere. And how has TSH fared since that exodus? 5 of 6 CPA’s have been terminated, and the one remaining is operating at ~15% of agreed capacity.

You are either G7 management, or are angling for a job as such. In either frame, you are hardly providing sound information for potential candidates to consider.

TaiMaiShu

Nah, just a line pilot that doesn’t use my time finding things to complain about because I heard rumors of stuff that may or may not have happened before I got here.

I was here for some of the pre-Covid shenanigans, through Covid, up to now. It wasn’t always peachy, but my day-to-day now is fine.

The pay finally came around, and I was pretty in touch with what was going on with it this whole time. I‘ve shared my opinion, and I don’t believe a lot of the stuff that’s brought up on here from years ago is relevant now.

idlethrust

I find that hard to believe.

TaiMaiShu

I don’t see why. I was literally there, and he was my sim partner, but okay.

TSA796

"Gojet isn't a scab company for what it did to Trans States, nobody crossed a picket line (technically). That's long gone and forgotten." Please don't try to rationalize their past behavior. At least you understand the basic inside politics of Gojet at the highest levels.by saying this "Gojet is a cockroach company TODAY"


Please don't ever **** on the TSA pilots who were robbed of their union rights when Gojet ran around their labor agreement that was signed by all of TSA ownership and management. You must not be aware of what happened with Gojets original start up. Upper management at TSA coerced several pilots and middle management to break ranks with the TSA labor agreement and start up Gojet. Originally there was no union when Gojet was started, and they could deal one on one with these individuals behind closed doors to bribe them as necessary to get them to do their dirty work. Eventually the union that was put in place was not ALPA and was headed by the same individuals who broke ranks with the ALPA agreement TSA had. This was all done because TSA pilots would not agree to a substandard pay scale for 70 seat jets that TSA wanted to fly. Back then MESA was the lowest scale, and the rational given was that TSA had to compete with them at this scale. The TSA pilots countered with asking for industry average pay scales (not leading). The TSA labor agreement clearly stated this was an illegal action, no other airline was permitted to fly under this contract. This was a contract with TSA not TSH as we see today. They found a loophole in the agreement and jumped through it. TSA management got a judge to agree that with TSH now in effect the labor agreement with TSA was no longer applicable as far as alter ego start-ups. The owner of TSH does not think in terms of fair treatment and labor agreements with his employees. Although he may have mellowed a bit due to his age, his basic DNA has not changed and his fundamental thinking of disregarding a labor agreement should NEVER be forgotten. This is the raw protection that airline employees have from criminal owners who do not care about their employees. You clearly do not understand this basic and fundamental part of airline labor relationships with management. What you are saying is like if someone broke into my house and shot me but did not kill me several years ago. Simply because this happened in the past it should be disregarded and forgotten. The individual who committed the crime should have been convicted and jailed for their crime. After they serve their sentence, they may be released to make an attempt to live in society by the rules and laws which govern a civil society. Gojet was neither convicted nor served time for their crime against TSA. They simply ignored TSA and ran Gojet as a second airline. Keep in mind the money that TSA made for the owner was used to buffer and start up Gojet so they through salt in the wound as well. You are not informed about the past history of Gojet. Please do not to cover up the past behavior of Gojet. The owner and COO are still running Gojet today and they were the same team who ran TSA. I do not have the numbers how many pilots remain or if any of the corrupt management remain, but this does not change the history of the airline. Long gone and forgotten is exactly what they have tried to promote over the years to create a new face for the airline today. So, when you say this, you are following the Gojet rational of how to cover up this crime. One last thing, the behavior of Gojet management to reuse to pay their employees an average pay scale over the years has continued to have the same stench of the original TSA management. That is what started this whole criminal mess. They are driven by only one thing and that is to survive and make money. Not a crime in itself but how you obtain those profits is the story of Gojet over the years. They have recently announced new pay scales so they can compete for employees in the industry. Only after facing extinction, did they decide to give up a part of their profits so they could continue to survive and make money. Make no mistake, Gojet is and always will be a scab airline

scab
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: scabies of domestic animals
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: a crust of hardened blood and serum over a wound
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: a contemptible person
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: a worker who refuses to join a labor union
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: a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended
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: a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike
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who are run by criminals. They are smart criminals, but this does not absolve them of their crimes from the past.
Cheers

TwoDaysBehind

I stand corrected, and I may indeed have been influenced by Gojet management propaganda to suggest the *current* employees at Gojet didn't participate in circumventing the TSA CBA. Very few if any 70- numbers remain.

Gojet management spread propaganda and lies like a North Korean news outlet. Brink of bankruptcy is growth, checkride failures is a great training program, empty class rooms is opportunity, extensions over holidays is caring about family, getting no response from payroll is being a good team member, waiting hours for a hotel after finishing a 16 hour duty day is serving the customers.

Paying pilots is uncompetitive when there's third worlders and Australians that still want to fly for free.

dreadFOroberts

For the love of God, use a paragraph break, man. I'm certain you make excellent points in your post but it's damned near unreadable.

dead meat

It isnt the easiest running paragraph to read. However, I'm sure he/she was firing on all cylinders when typing it out.

If you weren't around the industry during the initial founding of gojet -- and more importantly, the total screw job pulled on TSA pilots -- then you wouldn't understand how emotional the TSA guys and gals still feel on the subject of gojet.

TSA796

That is a weak response to the injustices done by Gojet. You should read it carefully and tell me if you have any disagreements with my facts. Unreadable tells me you do not like the facts that I have given for all to see. Its readable alright, you may have a problem with your comprehension skills if you can't read it. My knowledge of Gojet and TSA is based on over 25 years of close observation of their management techniques and the abuse they have used to control their workforce with. These guys have no professional code or morals as they tried everything from union busting to outright criminal abuse of TSA's labor agreement. I know some of the other regionals have a track record as well, but TSH is definitely right up front with the worst of them.

So here is your paragraph break. I will never allow TSH to slip off the hook for the crimes they have committed over the years. The original guys who formed Gojet were a bunch of back stabbers as they were TSA guys (about six pilots and management) who took the bait to get in on the ground floor of Gojet with unknown amounts of money to be paid behind closed doors with no union to observe them. My point is the same infrastructure still remains today with HK and RL at the top. I would guess some of the management remains but am unsure if any of the pilots remain. I will leave you with this thought. After the whole Gojet crime the pilots who started Gojet stayed for many years. I knew all of them, they knew how I felt about their behavior and actions. As the years went by, I would run into them at the airport or the training center. The abuse they received from their fellow pilots was quite severe. We had a near fist fight on a hotel van before they separated the crews from riding together. Eventually they were worn down to the point they would not even make eye contact with you as they knew what was coming and they finally understood their error, but it was too late to change their actions.

Don't make grammar or sentence structure a point when this type of behavior is involved. If anyone thinks this company is not responsible for their past actions, please show me their apology and the actions they took to amend their crimes. The people who take employment at Gojet today need to be fully aware of this companies' history no matter how long it has been. With all the hiring going on today why someone would even consider a scab airline like Gojet is beyond me except they are willing to look the other way to benefit themselves. Just like the original Gojet pilots and management did.
Cheers

TwoDaysBehind

https://www.navy.gov.au/contact-us

THE AUSTRALIANs should come rescue their countrymen from Gojet exploitative visa labor scam! Nearly one hundred victims have gone missing from Australian shores into the hands of the Gojet management captors. Many Australians are astray on the streets and underpasses of New Jersey. They are paid so little or not at all, many are homeless while flying for Gojet.

In all seriousness, H1B visas in occupations that don't have a labor, talent or intellectual shortage, just a pay shortage, is only done for the purpose of wage suppression. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-1B_v...abor_shortages

RAA with RL at Gojet was at the forefront of getting the department of labor to help them out.

So much for the current administration being labor friendly.