PulledBreaker

You know who says that? Automatic yes voters. If you can't perform some basic analysis on what is given, and you need to be told how much of your vacation you can pimp yourself out for to get "into the pattern".... then by all means, go get brainwashed.

dracir1

Ok, while your post seems like an intelligent way of responding, it’s very telling...

We have a summary of the AIP. We have the rates. We have some cryptic language about min duty period, etc. The pay rates alone that we do already have in print puts us at the bottom of all domestic narrow body airbus carriers. Of course, pay rate alone doesn’t paint the full picture but unless those rates come with some EXTREMELY lucrative scheduling options, the rates will relegate us to the bottom still. Is this really not conspicuous? Can we (and everyone else including all other airbus pilots, ALPA, regional pilots, etc) not see this? Are none of us smart enough to realize the pay difference? Are you?

This isn’t rocket science. If you’re waiting to read the full package expecting some unforeseen benefit that wasn’t highlighted in the bullet points already, you’ve got your head in the sand. If there was some additional scheduling benefit or other great deal that justifies the lower wages, it would’ve been mentioned - prominently. When you factor in PBS, the lower DC, lack of any override whatsoever and a # of other items that are either still below industy average or nonexistent (because we failed to ask for it), this AIP is WELL BELOW AVERAGE. It just is. Debating that at this point is futile. The cat is out of the bag now - trying to convince others (and yourself) that it isn’t, is pointless (although I’m sure a few will still try). Of course we’re all going to read the AIP prior, but the educational sounding answer of “I’ll wait and see” is a good way to make it seem like you don’t already have enough info to make a somewhat informed decision. You do.

My point is that I think there are more F9 pilots who realize like I do, that while it is an increase, that increase is not enough. This is an obvious no vote for me - mgt didn’t come close to making an offer that would be near what 50.1% will say yes to.

So, if you’re thinking about coming to F9, it’ll probably be a while before we get a TA.

Powderkeg

This thread has gone off topic. This is the “hiring” thread, not the negotiations thread. Here is your PSA for the day...

Now is NOT the time.

Management is up to their same old deceitful tricks. ALPA has been premature in announcing our perceived progress. We are nowhere near being at the point where you should be applying to this airline. When TA1 goes down in flames you will have buyers remorse and be treated poorly by management AND pilots. If we roll over and expose our soft underbellies and vote in this industry trailing contract and your self worth is low enough that you’re ok with that...well no PSA will help you grow a pair.

therapysession

If we made 1 dollar and then they gave us 2, I suppose that would be a 100% pay raise. How anybody could use the logic that it's a "substantial raise," is beyond me.

Powderkeg

Again off the hiring topic...but a more fair comparison would be if you made $1 and got a raise to $2 but your friends still made $3. It IS “substantial” but it’s not enough.

Wheelswatch

Man I hope you're right, but I've been down this road before, and the vocal minority doesn't usually overcome the majority of silent cowards.

OpenClimb

Quoted for truth. Third time at my third 121 carrier for me.

Notarealpilot

Wouldn’t rush to put an application in here voting doesn’t even close until the middle of January. If it gets voted down we probably won’t see anything until end of 2019.

Slowhawk

Can someone tell me the junior base? What’s the ranking of bases from senior to junior? I’d love to see the most junior Orlando hire. Also does anyone have a recruiter email they could PM me. I have looked everywhere and there’s no way to contact recruiters

Mugatu

Are you joking?