Frontier Hiring.
09-21-2018, 10:28 AM
#9191
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
Position: Lineholder
Posts: 1,425
This thread has deteriorated to the point of no usefulness. Potentials are still going to come despite warning. F9 line flyers are still going to voice their extreme displeasure despite common sense suggesting otherwise.
The only solution is a new contract. Plain and simple. Until then, no one will be happy and this thread should be shut down.
If you’re a potential new hire and you have accepted a position, good luck but don’t expect assistance from us regarding anything. If you pass your checkride, I’ll treat you like a fellow pilot. Hell, this is an anonymous blog and I wont know who you are anyway (and am not the type of dude to look up employee # and make judgements). But, the training for an Airbus, while the training staff is good, is not easy and passing your checkride is a big IF.
Sometimes, it’s better to crawl before you run....
The only solution is a new contract. Plain and simple. Until then, no one will be happy and this thread should be shut down.
If you’re a potential new hire and you have accepted a position, good luck but don’t expect assistance from us regarding anything. If you pass your checkride, I’ll treat you like a fellow pilot. Hell, this is an anonymous blog and I wont know who you are anyway (and am not the type of dude to look up employee # and make judgements). But, the training for an Airbus, while the training staff is good, is not easy and passing your checkride is a big IF.
Sometimes, it’s better to crawl before you run....
09-21-2018, 02:21 PM
#9192
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,120
Great. So you are now threatening unified adverse action against people for the crime of expressing their opinion online? Sounds like you personally have the management you deserve.
09-21-2018, 03:59 PM
#9194
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 775
As a recently laid off corporate pilot, I decided to finally give 121 a try. I got an offer at a regional and am waiting for a class. The wait is longer than I’d hoped so I’m still looking at options. I took one look at the profile and read just a couple pages of this thread before I realized, even as desperate as I am to get a job, I’d have to be a lot more desperate to go this route.
I’ll be better off at the regional. Yes literally. It’s unbelievable what they’re trying to get away with. Hope you guys get a good contract.
I’ll be better off at the regional. Yes literally. It’s unbelievable what they’re trying to get away with. Hope you guys get a good contract.
09-21-2018, 07:04 PM
#9195
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Joined APC: Aug 2018
Posts: 124
I think maybe you misunderstood my comment? I’m saying that I’m not even considering applying to F9. I’m saying that the regional I got hired at looks better.
10-02-2018, 09:00 PM
#9198
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Joined APC: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,153
When I was looking for my first 121 job, my best options were skywest and spirit. I didn't even consider frontier because they were so grossly unrealistic that they were still requiring a 2 year payback training contract. And the writing was on the wall regarding the contract fiasco. Who wants to stick their nose into that mess when skywest hours look just as good (or better) on a resume? Get your 121 PIC time any way you can. At this time (and for the last couple of years in fact) Frontier is not a move "up" in any way.
I don't think anyone in my SWA class came from frontier. We had someone from spirit and everyone else was a real mix of almost every possible career pathway, corporate, military, regional, etc etc.
Go to Frontier if that's your idea of a great career final destination, but the real question is always going to be why use an offset aimpoint when the normal career progression is still proven to be the most reliable way up the food chain. If I had to do it again or if SWA suddenly went away and I was on the street tomorrow, I'd happily choose skywest over Frontier like a whole bunch of my friends did. There is real value and security in working for a proven *company*. Find a regional that gets you PIC the fastest, and grind out your hours there instead of trying for a half-step "up" to frontier which in reality is just a side track off the proven career path.
Just look at Spirit and see what happens when a company bites the bullet and agrees to a big boy contract. They're printing money over there, even though it took 2 quarters of reporting to investors that growth was on hold due to the contract negotiations. Once Spirit management decided they'd rather pay up than have to tell their investors AGAIN that they sucked at their job, the contract was a done deal and the company could keep moving forward. Frontier doesn't seem to have those pressures, happy to keep limping along on the strength of cancelled vacations and deferred MX.
I don't think anyone in my SWA class came from frontier. We had someone from spirit and everyone else was a real mix of almost every possible career pathway, corporate, military, regional, etc etc.
Go to Frontier if that's your idea of a great career final destination, but the real question is always going to be why use an offset aimpoint when the normal career progression is still proven to be the most reliable way up the food chain. If I had to do it again or if SWA suddenly went away and I was on the street tomorrow, I'd happily choose skywest over Frontier like a whole bunch of my friends did. There is real value and security in working for a proven *company*. Find a regional that gets you PIC the fastest, and grind out your hours there instead of trying for a half-step "up" to frontier which in reality is just a side track off the proven career path.
Just look at Spirit and see what happens when a company bites the bullet and agrees to a big boy contract. They're printing money over there, even though it took 2 quarters of reporting to investors that growth was on hold due to the contract negotiations. Once Spirit management decided they'd rather pay up than have to tell their investors AGAIN that they sucked at their job, the contract was a done deal and the company could keep moving forward. Frontier doesn't seem to have those pressures, happy to keep limping along on the strength of cancelled vacations and deferred MX.
10-03-2018, 03:19 AM
#9199
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 541
When I was looking for my first 121 job, my best options were skywest and spirit. I didn't even consider frontier because they were so grossly unrealistic that they were still requiring a 2 year payback training contract. And the writing was on the wall regarding the contract fiasco. Who wants to stick their nose into that mess when skywest hours look just as good (or better) on a resume? Get your 121 PIC time any way you can. At this time (and for the last couple of years in fact) Frontier is not a move "up" in any way.
I don't think anyone in my SWA class came from frontier. We had someone from spirit and everyone else was a real mix of almost every possible career pathway, corporate, military, regional, etc etc.
Go to Frontier if that's your idea of a great career final destination, but the real question is always going to be why use an offset aimpoint when the normal career progression is still proven to be the most reliable way up the food chain. If I had to do it again or if SWA suddenly went away and I was on the street tomorrow, I'd happily choose skywest over Frontier like a whole bunch of my friends did. There is real value and security in working for a proven *company*. Find a regional that gets you PIC the fastest, and grind out your hours there instead of trying for a half-step "up" to frontier which in reality is just a side track off the proven career path.
Just look at Spirit and see what happens when a company bites the bullet and agrees to a big boy contract. They're printing money over there, even though it took 2 quarters of reporting to investors that growth was on hold due to the contract negotiations. Once Spirit management decided they'd rather pay up than have to tell their investors AGAIN that they sucked at their job, the contract was a done deal and the company could keep moving forward. Frontier doesn't seem to have those pressures, happy to keep limping along on the strength of cancelled vacations and deferred MX.
I don't think anyone in my SWA class came from frontier. We had someone from spirit and everyone else was a real mix of almost every possible career pathway, corporate, military, regional, etc etc.
Go to Frontier if that's your idea of a great career final destination, but the real question is always going to be why use an offset aimpoint when the normal career progression is still proven to be the most reliable way up the food chain. If I had to do it again or if SWA suddenly went away and I was on the street tomorrow, I'd happily choose skywest over Frontier like a whole bunch of my friends did. There is real value and security in working for a proven *company*. Find a regional that gets you PIC the fastest, and grind out your hours there instead of trying for a half-step "up" to frontier which in reality is just a side track off the proven career path.
Just look at Spirit and see what happens when a company bites the bullet and agrees to a big boy contract. They're printing money over there, even though it took 2 quarters of reporting to investors that growth was on hold due to the contract negotiations. Once Spirit management decided they'd rather pay up than have to tell their investors AGAIN that they sucked at their job, the contract was a done deal and the company could keep moving forward. Frontier doesn't seem to have those pressures, happy to keep limping along on the strength of cancelled vacations and deferred MX.
One last thing. Why would 121 at SkyWest be better than 121 at F9 on a resume at WN with all other qualifications being equal? I laughed hard at that. The crj is amazing I know...but c’mon man.
10-03-2018, 03:27 AM
#9200
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 541
I’m looking forward to know what outside attrition will be for this last month. Either way -22 pilots for this go around, if I remember right they missed their goal last month by 28 with attrition. At this rate +500 pilots will take 5 years or more instead of 18 months. I wonder how they could fix that? Another YouTube video should do the trick.
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