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03-19-2017, 06:07 PM
#7342
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2016
Position: Bus CA
Posts: 659
We opened a year early, this March marks the amendable date of the contract. Separately there is an arbitration scheduled for mid April over grievance concerning LOA67 language requiring the company to negotiate upward pay adjustments, that negotiation supposed to start at the same (or approximate) date as our early section 6 opener in March '16, but the company claimed "challenging business conditions" and denied upward pay adjustments; subsequently the grievance was filed thereafter (in June '16 I think).
Overall the negotiations with the company have gone awful but it has played directly into our hands in terms of advancing our goals via the RLA process. I must say that our ALPA team has out maneuvered the company in this respect so far. The company has put the ball in our court. We are essentially down to purely economic items on the contract and the schedule as been doubled; so as odd as the past year has been we're actually in a very good position.
That's the rough summary, I may be off a month on a date or two.
Last edited by DrJekyll MrHyde; 03-19-2017 at 06:20 PM.
03-19-2017, 10:20 PM
#7344
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 303
We opened section 6 negotiations in March '16, and "negotiated" for 5 (or 6) months before being granted mediation by NMB. First mediated session was in November '16 and as of this March '17, the mediator is not pleased with the pace of agreements (because the company is dragging its feet, naturally). So the new mediation schedule is now double its previous frequency. Two groups of sessions per month, I think each group consists of 3 days but don't quote me on the length.
We opened a year early, this March marks the amendable date of the contract. Separately there is an arbitration scheduled for mid April over grievance concerning LOA67 language requiring the company to negotiate upward pay adjustments, that negotiation supposed to start at the same (or approximate) date as our early section 6 opener in March '16, but the company claimed "challenging business conditions" and denied upward pay adjustments; subsequently the grievance was filed thereafter (in June '16 I think).
Overall the negotiations with the company have gone awful but it has played directly into our hands in terms of advancing our goals via the RLA process. I must say that our ALPA team has out maneuvered the company in this respect so far. The company has put the ball in our court. We are essentially down to purely economic items on the contract and the schedule as been doubled; so as odd as the past year has been we're actually in a very good position.
That's the rough summary, I may be off a month on a date or two.
We opened a year early, this March marks the amendable date of the contract. Separately there is an arbitration scheduled for mid April over grievance concerning LOA67 language requiring the company to negotiate upward pay adjustments, that negotiation supposed to start at the same (or approximate) date as our early section 6 opener in March '16, but the company claimed "challenging business conditions" and denied upward pay adjustments; subsequently the grievance was filed thereafter (in June '16 I think).
Overall the negotiations with the company have gone awful but it has played directly into our hands in terms of advancing our goals via the RLA process. I must say that our ALPA team has out maneuvered the company in this respect so far. The company has put the ball in our court. We are essentially down to purely economic items on the contract and the schedule as been doubled; so as odd as the past year has been we're actually in a very good position.
That's the rough summary, I may be off a month on a date or two.
Do you really think that they aren't five steps ahead of us? The RLA puts us at a distinct disadvantage and management is playing these negotiations like a fiddle. This is not the first labor dispute that Indigo has dealt with. We will be voting yes on another industry bottom garbage contract.
03-20-2017, 04:19 AM
#7345
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 71
I'm an optimistic guy, but I'm also a realist. I believe that Indigo doesn't have any clue how angry our pilot group is and that's a huge miscalculation on their part. The anger and frustration among our pilots is what's ultimately going to deliver us a contract we all deserve and have earned (some more than others!!). We are going to have to fight for every penny and that's going to take a long time. Indigo makes everyone fight for every penny, as they should, it's their job even though its not right but that's reality.
Don't fall into that trap of high expectations followed by disappointing emails from our NC. This is a slow process. And for god sakes, don't come to work with a nasty attitude and take it out on your fellow coworkers! We will get there but it's going to be a long fight.
Don't fall into that trap of high expectations followed by disappointing emails from our NC. This is a slow process. And for god sakes, don't come to work with a nasty attitude and take it out on your fellow coworkers! We will get there but it's going to be a long fight.
03-20-2017, 05:43 AM
#7346
SDQ Base Chief
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: 320 CA
Posts: 5,665
We opened section 6 negotiations in March '16, and "negotiated" for 5 (or 6) months before being granted mediation by NMB. First mediated session was in November '16 and as of this March '17, the mediator is not pleased with the pace of agreements (because the company is dragging its feet, naturally). So the new mediation schedule is now double its previous frequency. Two groups of sessions per month, I think each group consists of 3 days but don't quote me on the length.
We opened a year early, this March marks the amendable date of the contract. Separately there is an arbitration scheduled for mid April over grievance concerning LOA67 language requiring the company to negotiate upward pay adjustments, that negotiation supposed to start at the same (or approximate) date as our early section 6 opener in March '16, but the company claimed "challenging business conditions" and denied upward pay adjustments; subsequently the grievance was filed thereafter (in June '16 I think).
Overall the negotiations with the company have gone awful but it has played directly into our hands in terms of advancing our goals via the RLA process. I must say that our ALPA team has out maneuvered the company in this respect so far. The company has put the ball in our court. We are essentially down to purely economic items on the contract and the schedule as been doubled; so as odd as the past year has been we're actually in a very good position.
That's the rough summary, I may be off a month on a date or two.
We opened a year early, this March marks the amendable date of the contract. Separately there is an arbitration scheduled for mid April over grievance concerning LOA67 language requiring the company to negotiate upward pay adjustments, that negotiation supposed to start at the same (or approximate) date as our early section 6 opener in March '16, but the company claimed "challenging business conditions" and denied upward pay adjustments; subsequently the grievance was filed thereafter (in June '16 I think).
Overall the negotiations with the company have gone awful but it has played directly into our hands in terms of advancing our goals via the RLA process. I must say that our ALPA team has out maneuvered the company in this respect so far. The company has put the ball in our court. We are essentially down to purely economic items on the contract and the schedule as been doubled; so as odd as the past year has been we're actually in a very good position.
That's the rough summary, I may be off a month on a date or two.
03-20-2017, 08:10 AM
#7347
Slave
Joined APC: Oct 2016
Position: Hot tub
Posts: 1,389
I'm an optimistic guy, but I'm also a realist. I believe that Indigo doesn't have any clue how angry our pilot group is and that's a huge miscalculation on their part. The anger and frustration among our pilots is what's ultimately going to deliver us a contract we all deserve and have earned (some more than others!!). We are going to have to fight for every penny and that's going to take a long time. Indigo makes everyone fight for every penny, as they should, it's their job even though its not right but that's reality.
Don't fall into that trap of high expectations followed by disappointing emails from our NC. This is a slow process. And for god sakes, don't come to work with a nasty attitude and take it out on your fellow coworkers! We will get there but it's going to be a long fight.
Don't fall into that trap of high expectations followed by disappointing emails from our NC. This is a slow process. And for god sakes, don't come to work with a nasty attitude and take it out on your fellow coworkers! We will get there but it's going to be a long fight.
Indigo could CARE LESS about the pilot groups anger level.
It's all about $$$$$
The will not willingly give up a nickel.
It will take a threat of striking or a strike to gain ANYTHING.
Show up on time, fly safely, follow the CBA, grieve ANY AND EVERY CBA violation.
It will take time...
Last edited by ReserveCA; 03-20-2017 at 08:12 AM. Reason: Add support for quote
03-20-2017, 11:17 AM
#7348
Pro Button Pusher
Joined APC: Mar 2005
Position: A320 Series CA
Posts: 183
Unfortunately, I'm sure our management would have also used the winter storm to no-show negotiations if we had them.
Harvey makes a lot of good points. We can still be professionals while following our contract. We are acting professionally when we keep our passengers and crew safe and comfortable.
Why do we have pilots working job fairs and conducting interviews in their free time? I've heard some even travel and stay in hotels on their own dime to do this. Insane!
Harvey makes a lot of good points. We can still be professionals while following our contract. We are acting professionally when we keep our passengers and crew safe and comfortable.
Why do we have pilots working job fairs and conducting interviews in their free time? I've heard some even travel and stay in hotels on their own dime to do this. Insane!
03-20-2017, 12:10 PM
#7349
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2016
Position: Bus CA
Posts: 659
We totally have the company by the balls!
Do you really think that they aren't five steps ahead of us? The RLA puts us at a distinct disadvantage and management is playing these negotiations like a fiddle. This is not the first labor dispute that Indigo has dealt with. We will be voting yes on another industry bottom garbage contract.
Do you really think that they aren't five steps ahead of us? The RLA puts us at a distinct disadvantage and management is playing these negotiations like a fiddle. This is not the first labor dispute that Indigo has dealt with. We will be voting yes on another industry bottom garbage contract.
And now you have me asking myself, HOW CAN WE GET BACK ON THE RIGHT TRACK?!!
I'm no Bill Shakespeare but I sense some pain behind your words. Do fish ClearCreek? You need a fishing trip, amigo.
03-20-2017, 02:15 PM
#7350
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Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 629
Holy snikies it's the second coming of Matt Foley!!! Have you ever considered a career in motivational speaking? You should because it doesn't matter what happens in negotiations when the company has us all LIVING IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER!!!
And now you have me asking myself, HOW CAN WE GET BACK ON THE RIGHT TRACK?!!
I'm no Bill Shakespeare but I sense some pain behind your words. Do fish ClearCreek? You need a fishing trip, amigo.
And now you have me asking myself, HOW CAN WE GET BACK ON THE RIGHT TRACK?!!
I'm no Bill Shakespeare but I sense some pain behind your words. Do fish ClearCreek? You need a fishing trip, amigo.
Back on page 730, post #7300 she wanted to have Harvey Specters baby.
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