Frontier Hiring.
03-14-2017, 07:49 PM
#7262
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Joined APC: Apr 2016
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And cue the guys asking "so if picketing sucks, what should we do".
03-14-2017, 08:10 PM
#7263
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2016
Position: A320
Posts: 29
For those interested from other airlines, picketing is scheduled to take place April 19th in front of the Frontier GO on Tower Road in Denver. I'm sure ALPA will be putting out more information on this soon.
03-14-2017, 08:40 PM
#7264
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: Beech 1900D
Posts: 280
You must have never read them. This is my last response, because if you understood the first thing about the history of collective bargaining in the pilot profession, you wouldn't be posting such drivel. I can tell you that 1000 pilots going 1000 different directions will achieve zero. Is that what you want? Then why are you asking about the importance of unity?
03-15-2017, 06:21 AM
#7266
New Hire
Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 5
Hi all,
Just some food for thought...
1. Allegiant hired a PR firm during contract negotiations to spread as much bad news about the airline as possible on a national scale, in an effort to hurt their bottom line; they also made an effort to replace a board member also in an effort to hurt the financial gains of the CEO.
2. This is 2nd hand knowledge, but a head of a pilots union once told me that during negotiations, he and the lead counsel for the union had a dinner meeting with a bunch of analysts that covered the company's stock. They did this because they wanted to know just how much the pilot group might financially affect the airline, saying quote "we know that you guys can really F#@K up the day to day operation if you want".
I'm not saying this is honorable, right, reasonable, etc... but in my personal opinion, the cards are stacked against you, and the only thing that matters is money... you find a way to affect the money train, you get some leverage.
Just some food for thought...
1. Allegiant hired a PR firm during contract negotiations to spread as much bad news about the airline as possible on a national scale, in an effort to hurt their bottom line; they also made an effort to replace a board member also in an effort to hurt the financial gains of the CEO.
2. This is 2nd hand knowledge, but a head of a pilots union once told me that during negotiations, he and the lead counsel for the union had a dinner meeting with a bunch of analysts that covered the company's stock. They did this because they wanted to know just how much the pilot group might financially affect the airline, saying quote "we know that you guys can really F#@K up the day to day operation if you want".
I'm not saying this is honorable, right, reasonable, etc... but in my personal opinion, the cards are stacked against you, and the only thing that matters is money... you find a way to affect the money train, you get some leverage.
03-15-2017, 06:25 AM
#7267
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
Position: Lineholder
Posts: 1,425
I chose Frontier because I was a junior captain at a regional airline for several years and no one else offered me the job. As a captain I was able to save $20,000 to help make it through 1st year pay at Frontier (which I used almost all of in that year).
I was commuting to New York before, while now I commute to Orlando. I have family in Orlando so I save on crash pad expenses. Next year I'll make what I made as a captain and from then on I will be at a higher income than I was as a captain at the regional. Once I upgrade (probably 3-4 years from now assuming continued growth) I'll be making close to twice what I made at my previous airline (under our current contract). If we have a new contract by the time I upgrade it will be even more.
Was Frontier my dream job? No. That said, with the hindsight of 1 year at the company I would do it again. I wasn't going to be that 15 year captain at a regional waiting for one of the big 3 to call me.
I believe when we get a new contract this will be a much more competitive airline to get hired at. If the contract isn't that great, I'll start updating my resume. I definitely took a gamble. Hopefully it will pay off.
I was commuting to New York before, while now I commute to Orlando. I have family in Orlando so I save on crash pad expenses. Next year I'll make what I made as a captain and from then on I will be at a higher income than I was as a captain at the regional. Once I upgrade (probably 3-4 years from now assuming continued growth) I'll be making close to twice what I made at my previous airline (under our current contract). If we have a new contract by the time I upgrade it will be even more.
Was Frontier my dream job? No. That said, with the hindsight of 1 year at the company I would do it again. I wasn't going to be that 15 year captain at a regional waiting for one of the big 3 to call me.
I believe when we get a new contract this will be a much more competitive airline to get hired at. If the contract isn't that great, I'll start updating my resume. I definitely took a gamble. Hopefully it will pay off.
I think your story is VERY similar to just about everyone hired recently. I know it is to mine.
The math is simple. Frontier lags behind other airlines of course, but it's still better than at a regional once you get a few years seniority.
All the bashing really is senseless...
03-15-2017, 09:46 AM
#7268
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Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: 787
Posts: 3,202
Please enlighten us. What are we supposed to do in 2017? Just complain on a message board?
For those interested from other airlines, picketing is scheduled to take place April 19th in front of the Frontier GO on Tower Road in Denver. I'm sure ALPA will be putting out more information on this soon.
For those interested from other airlines, picketing is scheduled to take place April 19th in front of the Frontier GO on Tower Road in Denver. I'm sure ALPA will be putting out more information on this soon.
Unless there is a board meeting or investor meeting I guess I don't see the point. I will be happy to come show my support and march with Frontier pilots as an ALPA member, but in all honestly standing in front of the GO seems pointless.
03-15-2017, 10:00 AM
#7269
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Joined APC: Aug 2007
Posts: 687
Just curious, why are you picketing at GO and not at the airport? Tower road is for the most part is closed for construction, and once past Pena is not well traveled. The route to the airport for passengers is up Pena and they can't even see the GO.
Unless there is a board meeting or investor meeting I guess I don't see the point. I will be happy to come show my support and march with Frontier pilots as an ALPA member, but in all honestly standing in front of the GO seems pointless.
Unless there is a board meeting or investor meeting I guess I don't see the point. I will be happy to come show my support and march with Frontier pilots as an ALPA member, but in all honestly standing in front of the GO seems pointless.
03-15-2017, 10:11 AM
#7270
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Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: 787
Posts: 3,202
What about picketing at the RTD station that serves the airport? Or since F9 is a well known Denver airline why not picket at a major event in the DEN area?
A picket needs to get the passengers attention and picketing at the GO is not going to get that done.
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