Originally Posted by WhenPigsFLy

Why do you guys stay there. They are playing you all and every major is hiring.

Originally Posted by Leslie Chow

Because I'm about halfway up the seniority list, which means I am quite well insulated from furlough. I don't know about you, but I was in this business on 11 Sept 2001. At that point, everyone thought there would never be furloughs in this industry again - much like the prevailing attitude now. Yes, there are many, many more retirements now than then, but don't fool yourself for one single second. It can, and it will, happen again. The only question is when. It might be five years from now, it might be fifteen years from now, but it will happen again. Mark. My. Words. The legacies will lop 3000 off the bottom of a list and not think twice about it. Do I think it will be later, rather than sooner? Sure, I do, but at my age, this is not a gamble I want to take.

Aside from all that, is the fact that every single airline in business today has been a bottom feeder and a shlthole at certain points. Every single one of them. I remember when Southwest sucked. I remember when guys at Delta were taking early outs and resigning seniority numbers to go to Emirates.

It's like buying a stock, you look for one with good fundamentals that is trading below market value and buy it when you think it's as close as it's going to be to rock bottom, then you buy and ride it up. Same principle here.

Frontier may suck hind tit from a pilot's perspective at the moment, but so did the rest of them at some point.

I'll be sure and get back to you on my 65th birthday and let you know how it turned out.

Originally Posted by hoover

I see your point but I disagree. Even if there is a massive furlough in 5 yrs at a major you'll have that 3000 pilots below you by then and the earning potential at the major is so much higher you'll recoup your losses by becoming junior again.
I get it if you have invested time in the company and want to see it improve or like it there or don't want to move to another company again.

Originally Posted by SuperAerobat

Anyone have any hints or last minute pieces of advice prior to beginning training? I intend to walk in with a positive attitude and will try to absorb everything like a sponge. I come from an airline that doesn't have initial AQP so I am familiar with the process. I plan to put in the work and study hard, but is there anything that new hires typically have trouble with? Is everyone fitting within the allotted amount of sim sessions? Any tid-bits of input would be greatly appreciated!

Originally Posted by SuperAerobat

Anyone have any hints or last minute pieces of advice prior to beginning training? I intend to walk in with a positive attitude and will try to absorb everything like a sponge. I come from an airline that doesn't have initial AQP so I am familiar with the process. I plan to put in the work and study hard, but is there anything that new hires typically have trouble with? Is everyone fitting within the allotted amount of sim sessions? Any tid-bits of input would be greatly appreciated!

Originally Posted by WhenPigsFLy

Why do you guys stay there. They are playing you all and every major is hiring.

Originally Posted by Leslie Chow

Aside from all that, is the fact that every single airline in business today has been a bottom feeder and a shlthole at certain points. Every single one of them. I remember when Southwest sucked. I remember when guys at Delta were taking early outs and resigning seniority numbers to go to Emirates.

Originally Posted by full of luv

Just a bit of info, I think your confusing the exodus from Delta before the BK as a sign that it sucked. What was taking place was senior pilots who could "retire" and take $1million + in a lump sum pension payout or wait until the BK court decided how to deal with the pension fund courtesy the PBGC which trail had been recently blazed by UAL.

Many who were within sight of retirement went ahead and cashed out to move on to other airlines and/or out of flying with their lump sums in hand and pension coming monthly..... until the PBGC took over and adjusted the max payout amounts. Luckily for many, Delta pilots had long ago negotiated a lump sum payout of 50% of their pension benefits upfront upon retirement if so chosen..... and it was chosen by quite a few when the rubber started meeting the road.

Originally Posted by Aero1900

Because we are likely a year away from an industry standard contract. Sometimes you have to think into the future and not just today. People at Frontier are flying up the seniority list while we work on a contract. We are going to double in size in 5 years