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#6841
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
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Beat down the employees with low wages, outsourcing, dragging their feet on contract talks and taking a "you can routinely **** off a once a year flyer without much long term repercussions, because there's more just like them to follow" attitude?
ULCC's offer two things to the public, low upfront fares (spiked with fees) and cherry pick leisure point-to-point routes that can fill up a 320 at least a few times a week.
#6842
I think it's funny that no one thinks we could willing staff a PHL base. Almost everyone I fly with in ORD lives east of the Mississippi, and a healthy majority of those are from the NORTHEAST.
I think West Coast first as well, but not being able to staff a Northeast base without displacing people is Nonsense.
I think West Coast first as well, but not being able to staff a Northeast base without displacing people is Nonsense.
#6843
#6845
Touché, but most I fly with don't live in or around ORD either. Commuters already, and most likely willing to commute to NE if it meant better seniority, or an upgrade. I've just been trying to point out that probably close to 40% of our seniority list lives in the central or eastern time zone now. Maybe I'm way off, but I'd bet a beer that I'm not.
No idea what the actual number is, but I know it's not insignificant.
No idea what the actual number is, but I know it's not insignificant.
#6846
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Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 629
Dragging feet on contracts? Is that a joke? Do we have go there. Damn near every legacy in the country has done that. Seems it was Spirit that paid higher 320 rates than just about everyone in the US after their last deal.
Delta most recently comes to mind on dragging feet and oh yeah one of the most profitable carriers in the country, SWA. Never mind UPS stretching out negotiations for 7 years.
Save me the nonesense.
#6847
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 104
What do the ULCC's do well?
Beat down the employees with low wages, outsourcing, dragging their feet on contract talks and taking a "you can routinely **** off a once a year flyer without much long term repercussions, because there's more just like them to follow" attitude?
ULCC's offer two things to the public, low upfront fares (spiked with fees) and cherry pick leisure point-to-point routes that can fill up a 320 at least a few times a week.
Beat down the employees with low wages, outsourcing, dragging their feet on contract talks and taking a "you can routinely **** off a once a year flyer without much long term repercussions, because there's more just like them to follow" attitude?
ULCC's offer two things to the public, low upfront fares (spiked with fees) and cherry pick leisure point-to-point routes that can fill up a 320 at least a few times a week.
#6848
Touché, but most I fly with don't live in or around ORD either. Commuters already, and most likely willing to commute to NE if it meant better seniority, or an upgrade. I've just been trying to point out that probably close to 40% of our seniority list lives in the central or eastern time zone now. Maybe I'm way off, but I'd bet a beer that I'm not.
No idea what the actual number is, but I know it's not insignificant.
No idea what the actual number is, but I know it's not insignificant.
#6850
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 5,018
Make a profit, by offering affordable fares to much of the flying public that wouldn't fly otherwise. It used to be called the Southwest effect, now it's called the Spirit effect. That's what they do well. Before ULCC's there were LCC's which have also done a great job making a profit.
Dragging feet on contracts? Is that a joke? Do we have go there. Damn near every legacy in the country has done that. Seems it was Spirit that paid higher 320 rates than just about everyone in the US after their last deal.
Delta most recently comes to mind on dragging feet and oh yeah one of the most profitable carriers in the country, SWA. Never mind UPS stretching out negotiations for 7 years.
Save me the nonesense.
Dragging feet on contracts? Is that a joke? Do we have go there. Damn near every legacy in the country has done that. Seems it was Spirit that paid higher 320 rates than just about everyone in the US after their last deal.
Delta most recently comes to mind on dragging feet and oh yeah one of the most profitable carriers in the country, SWA. Never mind UPS stretching out negotiations for 7 years.
Save me the nonesense.
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