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Old 02-01-2017, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Trowserchilli
They need to focus on what they do well and what they offer well, not what ULCC's do well.
What do the ULCC's do well?

Beat down the employees with low wages, outsourcing, dragging their feet on contract talks and taking a "you can routinely **** off a once a year flyer without much long term repercussions, because there's more just like them to follow" attitude?

ULCC's offer two things to the public, low upfront fares (spiked with fees) and cherry pick leisure point-to-point routes that can fill up a 320 at least a few times a week.
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Old 02-01-2017, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by sab1250
I think it's funny that no one thinks we could willing staff a PHL base. Almost everyone I fly with in ORD lives east of the Mississippi, and a healthy majority of those are from the NORTHEAST.

I think West Coast first as well, but not being able to staff a Northeast base without displacing people is Nonsense.
Isn't ORD east of the Mississippi?
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Old 02-01-2017, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by motorboatin
This is hilarious. "The world revolves around Denver" mentality is still very much alive and well!
For the record, I'm in no way DEN based or domiciled. Just my .02
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Old 02-01-2017, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by prettywhacked
Isn't ORD east of the Mississippi?
Hey the state touches the Miss!
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Old 02-01-2017, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by prettywhacked
Isn't ORD east of the Mississippi?
Touché, but most I fly with don't live in or around ORD either. Commuters already, and most likely willing to commute to NE if it meant better seniority, or an upgrade. I've just been trying to point out that probably close to 40% of our seniority list lives in the central or eastern time zone now. Maybe I'm way off, but I'd bet a beer that I'm not.

No idea what the actual number is, but I know it's not insignificant.
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Old 02-01-2017, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by full of luv
What do the ULCC's do well?

Beat down the employees with low wages, outsourcing, dragging their feet on contract talks and taking a "you can routinely **** off a once a year flyer without much long term repercussions, because there's more just like them to follow.
Make a profit, by offering affordable fares to much of the flying public that wouldn't fly otherwise. It used to be called the Southwest effect, now it's called the Spirit effect. That's what they do well. Before ULCC's there were LCC's which have also done a great job making a profit.

Dragging feet on contracts? Is that a joke? Do we have go there. Damn near every legacy in the country has done that. Seems it was Spirit that paid higher 320 rates than just about everyone in the US after their last deal.
Delta most recently comes to mind on dragging feet and oh yeah one of the most profitable carriers in the country, SWA. Never mind UPS stretching out negotiations for 7 years.
Save me the nonesense.
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Old 02-01-2017, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by full of luv
What do the ULCC's do well?

Beat down the employees with low wages, outsourcing, dragging their feet on contract talks and taking a "you can routinely **** off a once a year flyer without much long term repercussions, because there's more just like them to follow" attitude?

ULCC's offer two things to the public, low upfront fares (spiked with fees) and cherry pick leisure point-to-point routes that can fill up a 320 at least a few times a week.
I can't really argue any of your points. They will pay us...eventually or this experiment will end. I don't think anyone here enjoys being the lowest paid in the industry. We are in negotiations. We will see this through to the end and they WILL pay us what we are worth. Every last dime!
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by sab1250
Touché, but most I fly with don't live in or around ORD either. Commuters already, and most likely willing to commute to NE if it meant better seniority, or an upgrade. I've just been trying to point out that probably close to 40% of our seniority list lives in the central or eastern time zone now. Maybe I'm way off, but I'd bet a beer that I'm not.

No idea what the actual number is, but I know it's not insignificant.
Nearly half of ORD is made up of commuters willing to pick a base that works best for themselves.
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Old 02-02-2017, 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by flycrj200
I have a friend interviewing with Frontier, any suggestion on interview prep companies would be greatly appreciated.

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Lori Clark for interview prep.....her husband is an F9 captain.
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Old 02-02-2017, 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Trowserchilli
Make a profit, by offering affordable fares to much of the flying public that wouldn't fly otherwise. It used to be called the Southwest effect, now it's called the Spirit effect. That's what they do well. Before ULCC's there were LCC's which have also done a great job making a profit.

Dragging feet on contracts? Is that a joke? Do we have go there. Damn near every legacy in the country has done that. Seems it was Spirit that paid higher 320 rates than just about everyone in the US after their last deal.
Delta most recently comes to mind on dragging feet and oh yeah one of the most profitable carriers in the country, SWA. Never mind UPS stretching out negotiations for 7 years.
Save me the nonesense.
Delta didn't drag their feet. The pilots had a bad TA that was voted down 6 months prior to the ammendable date. That set us back some. Contract was signed 11 months passed the ammendable date with 18 percent full retro. To me, dragging feet is taking years, then offering signing bonus.
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