Frontier Hiring.
01-19-2017, 07:24 PM
#6701
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Posts: 78
Do I need to explain? We are easily a cycle/lap behind in terms of pay rates and contract. Now that almost everyone is on a new (ish) contract and we are just getting started with no end in sight that isn't 2-4 years away, we'll be ratifying some junk that'll be (in some cases) 2-3 cycles behind industry standard. I call that getting lapped.
"Agreeing" to DH language after over 6 months and admitting that paying for parking in multiple bases might be beyond the admistrative power of our company tells me a lot. Quibbling over parking money for pilots represents a fantastic distraction and time waster. Meanwhile you could be a 3 year FO at a legacy making as much as a 20 year CA at frontier. Keep wearing those hats and cleaning seat backs!
"Agreeing" to DH language after over 6 months and admitting that paying for parking in multiple bases might be beyond the admistrative power of our company tells me a lot. Quibbling over parking money for pilots represents a fantastic distraction and time waster. Meanwhile you could be a 3 year FO at a legacy making as much as a 20 year CA at frontier. Keep wearing those hats and cleaning seat backs!
We are getting lapped but there's no going back to redo the past 10 years and a March 2017 amendable date on a 2007 CBA is the reality.
01-19-2017, 07:38 PM
#6702
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Joined APC: Aug 2010
Position: A319/A320/A321 CA
Posts: 363
Didn't you just post on APC asking how to file a hotel complaint? If you are that out of touch, then maybe you should keep to asking questions before spouting off. Your tone is like a passenger complaining about how we don't offer free drinks before taking a dump in the forward lav and not courtesy flushing on a $29 fare after a weekend bender in LAS.
We are getting lapped but there's no going back to redo the past 10 years and a March 2016 amendable date (March 2017 expiration date) on a 2007 CBA is the reality.
We are getting lapped but there's no going back to redo the past 10 years and a March 2016 amendable date (March 2017 expiration date) on a 2007 CBA is the reality.
01-19-2017, 08:29 PM
#6705
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Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 303
01-20-2017, 08:58 AM
#6708
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,459
It seems like achieving the sweet spot in contract negotiations is a delicate matter, and we're dealing with the toughest in the business. Too aggressive and we overshoot our ability to look like the reasonable of the two parties. (which from what I understand is important when it comes to mediation, and future self help) ... Undershoot and we get a TA not worth having, but out of frustration has a high probability of being passed because the group just can't stomach current book any longer.
Either of these eventualities is a failure of sorts. The only win is right on the money (pardon the pun.)
In all honesty I am very concerned about an underwhelming TA, but at this point the only thing I can do is exercise a degree of trust and just keep communicating and participating as much as I can through valid channels.
It's all difficult and we're right in the thick of it now; and for this reason it's too early and overly dramatic to call us a failed group.
01-20-2017, 11:39 AM
#6710
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,459
Well you can't go on strike yesterday, because you've not crossed the T's and dotted the I's yet. That's my point. But yeah, of course 'underwhelming' = no vote... I agree.
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