Frontier Hiring.
09-21-2016, 08:47 AM
#5461
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really? thats the best you can come up with? i am underwhelmed.
actually, if you think about it, maybe you are the one that isn't that smart. what are you doing to make this place better? sitting here on this forum all day and complaining about how bad the company is doesn't qualify as accomplishing anything. i know as well as anyone else there needs to be improvement. i don't sit around drinking cool aid. if you don't like it here, you should quit. why don't you get a job at southwest? how about any other legacy?
spirit was owned by franke. they struck and got what they wanted. perhaps you should study a little airline history. there is no reason why we can't do the same. perhaps its people like you that are holding us back with your incessant complaining.
actually, if you think about it, maybe you are the one that isn't that smart. what are you doing to make this place better? sitting here on this forum all day and complaining about how bad the company is doesn't qualify as accomplishing anything. i know as well as anyone else there needs to be improvement. i don't sit around drinking cool aid. if you don't like it here, you should quit. why don't you get a job at southwest? how about any other legacy?
spirit was owned by franke. they struck and got what they wanted. perhaps you should study a little airline history. there is no reason why we can't do the same. perhaps its people like you that are holding us back with your incessant complaining.
09-21-2016, 10:06 AM
#5462
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Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 629
jesus christo!!!
you guys are as emotional as a 14 year old girl getting her first period.
i have not posted here in a long time. i do look here occasionally and today the posts just make me want to shake my head.
first of all, no one in management is stupid enough to believe that any of us would settle for a single one of their chintzy proposals. this is a negotiation for christ's sake. don't ever forget that. we start high, they start low. they hope we will meet somewhere in the middle. they proposals they submitted are b.s. they know it as well as we do. they are simply an attempting to stall and show the mediation board that they are "negotiating".
what we need to do in lieu of this is resubmit our proposals to 10-15% greater across the board in EVERY category compared to the best contract of any other airline in the usa flying a similar fleet type. SWA just got a better contract. our reasoning for doing so is due to changing market conditions. every time another airline gets a better contract and we are still in negations, we resubmit a new proposal as stated above.
telling pilots not to come here because you are unhappy is just f-ing stupid! if you could see the forest through the trees, you would encourage good pilots to come here with the expectation that they will stand with us and help make this company better in the near future.
telling other pilots not to come here accomplishes nothing.
i came here from a long tenure as a captain at a regional. i knew what the pay was but i chose to come here anyway for several reasons: 1)faster upgrade time than any legacy 2) mostly better work rules than any regional in the usa. 3) generally great camaraderie with the crews i fly with. everyone that i have encountered at this company-with very few exceptions-has gone far out of their way to make me feel like i am a part of a family here. you won't get that at a legacy. 4) the regional airline industry is stagnant and likely has no future. 5) i know that in a couple years, this is going to be a really great place to work. i am willing to stand firm with my brethren. i will vote to strike if that is what needs to be done. i promise you that these dorks will cave like a house of cards and give us everything we ask for if we get to the point of a strike. why? because all they care about is making money and milking the cash cow. if we can inhibit their ability to make money, they will do what ever they need to in order to keep it flowing in.
you guys drive me crazy by reacting exactly the way they want you to. stop making this emotional. i promise you that it isn't emotional for them. all they care about is the cash. we have the ability to make this company exactly what we want it to be.
stop whining and figure out something you can do to help all of us accomplish this goal. every one of us needs to find a way to put pressure on them in one way or another.
jesus!
sorry for the rant! carry on with your whining.
you guys are as emotional as a 14 year old girl getting her first period.
i have not posted here in a long time. i do look here occasionally and today the posts just make me want to shake my head.
first of all, no one in management is stupid enough to believe that any of us would settle for a single one of their chintzy proposals. this is a negotiation for christ's sake. don't ever forget that. we start high, they start low. they hope we will meet somewhere in the middle. they proposals they submitted are b.s. they know it as well as we do. they are simply an attempting to stall and show the mediation board that they are "negotiating".
what we need to do in lieu of this is resubmit our proposals to 10-15% greater across the board in EVERY category compared to the best contract of any other airline in the usa flying a similar fleet type. SWA just got a better contract. our reasoning for doing so is due to changing market conditions. every time another airline gets a better contract and we are still in negations, we resubmit a new proposal as stated above.
telling pilots not to come here because you are unhappy is just f-ing stupid! if you could see the forest through the trees, you would encourage good pilots to come here with the expectation that they will stand with us and help make this company better in the near future.
telling other pilots not to come here accomplishes nothing.
i came here from a long tenure as a captain at a regional. i knew what the pay was but i chose to come here anyway for several reasons: 1)faster upgrade time than any legacy 2) mostly better work rules than any regional in the usa. 3) generally great camaraderie with the crews i fly with. everyone that i have encountered at this company-with very few exceptions-has gone far out of their way to make me feel like i am a part of a family here. you won't get that at a legacy. 4) the regional airline industry is stagnant and likely has no future. 5) i know that in a couple years, this is going to be a really great place to work. i am willing to stand firm with my brethren. i will vote to strike if that is what needs to be done. i promise you that these dorks will cave like a house of cards and give us everything we ask for if we get to the point of a strike. why? because all they care about is making money and milking the cash cow. if we can inhibit their ability to make money, they will do what ever they need to in order to keep it flowing in.
you guys drive me crazy by reacting exactly the way they want you to. stop making this emotional. i promise you that it isn't emotional for them. all they care about is the cash. we have the ability to make this company exactly what we want it to be.
stop whining and figure out something you can do to help all of us accomplish this goal. every one of us needs to find a way to put pressure on them in one way or another.
jesus!
sorry for the rant! carry on with your whining.
Negotiations, nothing more nothing less. This has been going on since the inception of airlines.
The non-flying pay scale is laughable though. That's a new one.
Be prepared to strike.
09-21-2016, 10:14 AM
#5463
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Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 629
Add to that the fact that even after the dust settles, what then? Is this business model sustainable after the inevitable pay increases? Is it recession-proof after these cheesy, cheap circus clowns leave? The new Frontier is in its infancy, and only time will tell. Until then, I would encourage people to head off to a tried and true business model, like Alaska, Delta or others who have no such problems and uncertainty.
Take a look around the globe. The ULCC business model is here to stay.
Spirit airlines will answer every question you just posted.
http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...t-creep-250994
Btw, are those true business model airlines the same ones that wiped out everyone's pensions a few years ago?
Are they the same ones that paid less than Spirit on the same aircraft after their last contract?
Or the ones that laid off thousands of pilots a few years ago?
Airlines with the same business model of TWA, Pan Am, Eastern? The old Frontier perhaps?
Or how about USAir where the pilots waited for the company to just fold for 15yr or better.
No problems and uncertainty? Right!
09-21-2016, 10:30 AM
#5464
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 189
It baffles me that a few people are still going out of their way to help the company. Yesterday, I saw an airplane off gate 32 do a 270 turn out to taxi (single engine) to either one of the 34's or rwy 25. What is that, a three minute taxi out? I can't image how the FO felt. Other than he thought his captain was a giant tool.
The company screws the pilots every chance they get, and people are still helping them out. I guess these people have no pride or not a single iota of self respect. At least they are well known to the pilot group.
The company screws the pilots every chance they get, and people are still helping them out. I guess these people have no pride or not a single iota of self respect. At least they are well known to the pilot group.
09-21-2016, 11:22 AM
#5465
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 189
jesus christo!!!
you guys are as emotional as a 14 year old girl getting her first period.
i have not posted here in a long time. i do look here occasionally and today the posts just make me want to shake my head.
first of all, no one in management is stupid enough to believe that any of us would settle for a single one of their chintzy proposals. this is a negotiation for christ's sake. don't ever forget that. we start high, they start low. they hope we will meet somewhere in the middle. they proposals they submitted are b.s. they know it as well as we do. they are simply an attempting to stall and show the mediation board that they are "negotiating".
what we need to do in lieu of this is resubmit our proposals to 10-15% greater across the board in EVERY category compared to the best contract of any other airline in the usa flying a similar fleet type. SWA just got a better contract. our reasoning for doing so is due to changing market conditions. every time another airline gets a better contract and we are still in negations, we resubmit a new proposal as stated above.
telling pilots not to come here because you are unhappy is just f-ing stupid! if you could see the forest through the trees, you would encourage good pilots to come here with the expectation that they will stand with us and help make this company better in the near future.
telling other pilots not to come here accomplishes nothing.
i came here from a long tenure as a captain at a regional. i knew what the pay was but i chose to come here anyway for several reasons: 1)faster upgrade time than any legacy 2) mostly better work rules than any regional in the usa. 3) generally great camaraderie with the crews i fly with. everyone that i have encountered at this company-with very few exceptions-has gone far out of their way to make me feel like i am a part of a family here. you won't get that at a legacy. 4) the regional airline industry is stagnant and likely has no future. 5) i know that in a couple years, this is going to be a really great place to work. i am willing to stand firm with my brethren. i will vote to strike if that is what needs to be done. i promise you that these dorks will cave like a house of cards and give us everything we ask for if we get to the point of a strike. why? because all they care about is making money and milking the cash cow. if we can inhibit their ability to make money, they will do what ever they need to in order to keep it flowing in.
you guys drive me crazy by reacting exactly the way they want you to. stop making this emotional. i promise you that it isn't emotional for them. all they care about is the cash. we have the ability to make this company exactly what we want it to be.
stop whining and figure out something you can do to help all of us accomplish this goal. every one of us needs to find a way to put pressure on them in one way or another.
jesus!
sorry for the rant! carry on with your whining.
you guys are as emotional as a 14 year old girl getting her first period.
i have not posted here in a long time. i do look here occasionally and today the posts just make me want to shake my head.
first of all, no one in management is stupid enough to believe that any of us would settle for a single one of their chintzy proposals. this is a negotiation for christ's sake. don't ever forget that. we start high, they start low. they hope we will meet somewhere in the middle. they proposals they submitted are b.s. they know it as well as we do. they are simply an attempting to stall and show the mediation board that they are "negotiating".
what we need to do in lieu of this is resubmit our proposals to 10-15% greater across the board in EVERY category compared to the best contract of any other airline in the usa flying a similar fleet type. SWA just got a better contract. our reasoning for doing so is due to changing market conditions. every time another airline gets a better contract and we are still in negations, we resubmit a new proposal as stated above.
telling pilots not to come here because you are unhappy is just f-ing stupid! if you could see the forest through the trees, you would encourage good pilots to come here with the expectation that they will stand with us and help make this company better in the near future.
telling other pilots not to come here accomplishes nothing.
i came here from a long tenure as a captain at a regional. i knew what the pay was but i chose to come here anyway for several reasons: 1)faster upgrade time than any legacy 2) mostly better work rules than any regional in the usa. 3) generally great camaraderie with the crews i fly with. everyone that i have encountered at this company-with very few exceptions-has gone far out of their way to make me feel like i am a part of a family here. you won't get that at a legacy. 4) the regional airline industry is stagnant and likely has no future. 5) i know that in a couple years, this is going to be a really great place to work. i am willing to stand firm with my brethren. i will vote to strike if that is what needs to be done. i promise you that these dorks will cave like a house of cards and give us everything we ask for if we get to the point of a strike. why? because all they care about is making money and milking the cash cow. if we can inhibit their ability to make money, they will do what ever they need to in order to keep it flowing in.
you guys drive me crazy by reacting exactly the way they want you to. stop making this emotional. i promise you that it isn't emotional for them. all they care about is the cash. we have the ability to make this company exactly what we want it to be.
stop whining and figure out something you can do to help all of us accomplish this goal. every one of us needs to find a way to put pressure on them in one way or another.
jesus!
sorry for the rant! carry on with your whining.
09-21-2016, 11:46 AM
#5466
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Joined APC: Jan 2014
Posts: 40
Really, so people that have been with this company for years and more than paid their dues through the ups and downs don't have every right to be pi$$ed off and complain about the slap in the face that was just slid across the table? I've flown with guys that have been here 10+ years that are pi$$ed about what's happening. Should I tell them to shut up, it's just 'negotiations?' We aren't worth more than what would still be a substandard industry contract, even today, plus the absolute pillaging of even basic work rules that people receive at even the regional level? And by the way, regarding your quicker upgrade than any legacy... Delta is at 2 years. We are at 2.5 and getting lengthier every bid. May want to fact check. Go back to your single engine taxiing and shaking hands at the GO.
if you are so upset about it, what are you going to do to make it better? are you going to find a better job? are you going to volunteer with the union? probably the limit of your action will be 6itching among other pilots and pi$$ing and moaning on the message boards all day. you and others are wasting your energy. be pi$$ed if you need to be but channel it into something useful.
yes, delta does have a 2 year upgrade if you don't mind doing 717 regional flying out of new york. when i was hired here, the upgrade there was a good deal longer than that. i suppose you already knew this though......
09-21-2016, 12:26 PM
#5467
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Joined APC: Aug 2008
Position: Swing that gear
Posts: 354
Of course it's garbage but did you guys really think they would give us an offer we would be voting on?
It's an opportunity to file for mediation... The required next step, before the next step, etc. I think it's a good thing.
It's an opportunity to file for mediation... The required next step, before the next step, etc. I think it's a good thing.
09-21-2016, 01:51 PM
#5468
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Posts: 83
Well, the fact that Frontier still has people who want to go out of their way to help the company is baffling. No one can argue the fact that Frontier is a terrible place to be when pilots are leaving left and right and rampers are walking off the job (yesterday)! It's insulting management thought this proposal was ok when the work group is already ****ed off and FOs at other airlines are making more than captians.
09-21-2016, 02:17 PM
#5469
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Joined APC: Aug 2008
Position: Swing that gear
Posts: 354
Well, the fact that Frontier still has people who want to go out of their way to help the company is baffling. No one can argue the fact that Frontier is a terrible place to be when pilots are leaving left and right and rampers are walking off the job (yesterday)! It's insulting management thought this proposal was ok when the work group is already ****ed off and FOs at other airlines are making more than captians.
I carried a stroller up the jetway this morning, but only because the mom was hot. Does that make me a company sell out?
09-21-2016, 03:36 PM
#5470
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Joined APC: Nov 2008
Position: doggy style
Posts: 1,006
Second, you are a tool for carrying the stroller. I don't care what the circumstances.
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