dn_wisconsin

I also don't think I've seen an F9 crew at any Spirit hotel. Unless you're talking about our FAs. You stay where our FAs stay?

Mugatu

What money involved?? Let me spell it out.

1) quick strike - the cost per day for an airline shut down. Yes, I agree Indigo has plenty of cash on hand for a 6 day strike. Actually dollar amount per day to shut us down? Go talk with Biffle. He'd tell you a good estimate.

2) long strike - loads of money lost. All the money Indigo has made off his initial investment would be lost. Why would Indigo spend that kind of money to keep Frontier pilots from a pay raise and disrupt his sale/IPO? Stupid, and Franke ain't stupid. This scenario is by far the least likely. I'd give it zero chance.

2) close the doors - Indigo will lose out on a sale or IPO. As I mentioned previously we are taking BILLIONs of dollars involved. Franke is a very smart guy, but even he is human and could go the nuclear option simply to please his ego and prove a point for taking him to a strike. He's made a nice return on his investment as it stands today, so he could just walk away. I give this a very slim chance because of all the other stakeholders involved. Airbus, GECAS, etc. will put huge pressure on Franke not to go nuclear. But a smart pilot will have 3 months supply of cash on hand to transition to another airline, wherever that might be.

I feel like I'm repeating myself...

motorboatin

I'm sure you're quite proud of yourself for "going the extra mile" but when you actually get off probation and have spent a few years here, maybe you'll feel differently. Regardless, I'm glad you're enjoying yourself so much and believe our hotels to be acceptable. I'll recommend you spend some time reading and understanding your CBA. Get eff'd by scheduling a couple times, be pressured to extend numerous hours before the extension is needed, or fall victim to one of their other blatant violations of the contract, and I'm guessing if we were to honestly discuss this again in one year, your sentiments may have changed. It's likely to happen, just give it time.
To each his own....

LakeshoreFlyer

1). September 2016 brought a reduction of 9 lines to ORD and that made the most junior lineholder an 8/2015 hire.

2). F9 is proud to have arguably the highest aircraft utilization rates in the industry. That means there's lots of redeyes. Of course, the more senior you are means you can avoid them. On reserve you can expect to fly some.

3). Most overnights are at hotel airports. Generally speaking, pilots and flight attendants will not layover for the same duration. Frontier has a much higher utilization rate for the FA's so often they will continue flying while the front end crew gets their 117. Every other carrier I've worked for has had better hotel selections than Frontier.

I've been at Frontier less than a year and these are just my opinions. Everybody has a different experience and expectations. I like it here, but as you can see on this forum we are hoping to make a lot of improvements in the next round of negotiating.

LakeshoreFlyer

Oh, and BTW soakingpilot, the Aug bid pack contained 71 lines and the Sep bid pack contained 62 lines. Just to give you an idea how big (or small) the ORD base is.

turbojet28

I would expect reserve in Chicago to be 6 months at a bare minimum. There hasn't been any upgrade vacancies since April, I believe, and until there are more, they really aren't sending anyone to ORD. I haven't found any week to be "typical" on reserve in ORD. I would say in general you probably get used less than you would if you were in DEN. Sometimes you'll go two weeks without getting called, and then the next week or two you'll get used every day. I've learned to not be surprised either way.

You'll certainly fly red eyes on reserve. There are some pairings that include two-leg red eye duty periods and to say that those are challenging for your body would be an understatement.

Overall, I find the work environment to be good. As a general rule, nearly every pilot I've flown with has been very easy to get along with. I've been on property about 6 months and haven't had any serious issues with a hotel, although I haven't even come close to seeing them all.

F9 Driver

You'll get some perspective on this matter if you listen to the podcast the MEC put out in the last week or so.

The management types who are working the ramp (carrying bags, pushing wheel chairs and fetching strollers) made a big deal about having had training, and are covered by Frontier's insurance while working the ramp. Management has had to come out with explicit instructions for the pilots - don't carry bags / push wheelchairs. It's not the job you're insured for.

If you feel your nature won't allow you to keep your labor to the position you were hired to perform, keep in mind that your injury wouldn't be covered as an OJI; you're on your own insurance if you get hurt. If you break something, we once had a well intentioned Captain operate the jetbridge to allow passengers to disembark, (what could go wrong?), you could find yourself out of a job.

Keep in mind, none of the rampers or flight attendants are going to come cut your grass, drive you to the doctor's or make your mortgage payments when you get hurt doing THEIR JOBS.

SpankysLadder

The most Junior Relief Line holder for Sept is a Jan 2016 hire. You can significantly improve your line through open time swaps.

Arty13

It's also in my nature to help out. But this ^^^ is absolutely true.
Please, stop doing rampers' jobs if you like your own job!

Hou757

Are most new hires getting based in Den?