Bugaboo

Exactly ^^^^ The LOA concessions post BK were the perceived "company savers". I heard the cut in pay for 1st year pilot in the 2007 contract was a trade for exactly what you said...DC plan.

Trowserchilli

Spirit was on strike for 6 days. Be prepared to strike.

What facts are you basing your, "lasts longer than a week, this place will be out of business", statement on?

Mugatu

Common sense. Think about it....a super quick strike or they will close the doors.

Franke will not walk away from a couple BILLION dollars. Airbus, Gecas, CFM...all the big supplies and all those "stakeholders" who negotiated a slice of the pie will be ****ed beyond belief if Franke tanks this (and I quote an actual quote) "slicing up the pig". I would bet, too, that all those suppliers won't work with him in the future if he screws this up. It'll be Indigo's last airline rodeo, and that ain't gunna happen.

Frankie will settle at 11:59:59.

Trowserchilli

That's got nothing to do with what I posted.

Other poster stated the company would close its doors if a strike lasted more than a week.
Based on what?

To what you posted,
Frankie's already been through a six day strike and none of what you posted above happened to Spirit.
Be prepared to strike.

Mugatu

A six day strike is a quick strike. I agree with the above poster, it won't be several weeks or three months. Based on what?? An educated guess with the money and stakeholders involved. I have 3 months out of work prep money but it would be used for holding out, it'll be used to find a job overseas. Hainan Airlines is now paying almost 500k/year. Gotta live in Beijing, though. And wear a PEB all the time.

Mugatu

PBE....trying to type without my reading glasses...

soakingpilot

So just taking a look at F9 but a few things.

1. How long on rsv in ORD ?

2. Can someone post up their schedule as apparently there are allot of redeyes so just trying to get an idea of whats what. Preferably from the 1 year 2 year guy/gal

3. As well are the overnights really all at the airport ie no downtown no nice overnights etc? Just makes me think its a real go to work and get done slam click culture which of course has other repercussions in QOL.

thanks

Arty13

I think you are putting too much stock in anonymous forum posts. There are quite a few very decent overnights, and some absolutely unacceptable overnights. Not unlike most regional carriers, most are just ok (IMO). It's another thing in need of fixing. Some people like other things than I like about hotels, so they are obviously unhappy.
A bunch of forum posters take the extreme view. They are venting a lot of built up frustration that many of us feel. But most of us like the job, and like each other. Yes we're tired of contract violations and low relative pay. I'd say 90% of us are ready to do what we must to fix it (mgmt speak no other language than money, so only money will bring them to the negotiating table. Striking seems to be our only option). But we are NOT a slam click culture. I like going out with our crews.
[edit: juniors will fly many red eyes, seniors still seem to get stuck flying them occasionally, and middlings probably average 1-5/month (very ballpark figures)]

motorboatin

1. No way to tell. Hiring dependent and that is subject to rapid change. Plan on at least a few months as of now.

2. Cannot post a sched, however I can tell you that the Jr folks are doing most of the red eyes, Sr folks can avoid them if they really want to. There is a ton of red eye flying and many involve multiple body clock swaps within the footprint of the pairing. They BLOW!!!

3. Not completely sure what you're saying in the first part of you question, but most overnights really suck. We have a few nice hotels in the system, however the company is actively trying to get rid of them for cheaper alternatives. Unfortunately, due to the nature of so much of the flying, it seems that recently the slam/click culture has taken over. Everyone is really tired from both the schedules and the crap.

To summarize...go elsewhere. We have some amazing people that you'll work with, but so does every other carrier out there. This is not the corporate environment from which you'd like to be starting a job. Most of our peers at other airlines are experiencing pride and prosperity. F9er's are dealing with operational nightmares (the Co partly blames the pilot group), shame, and a management team that shows ineptitude and carelessness. As I said above, go elsewhere and avoid F9.

Purpleanga

I saw stuff from a friend like you go from Den to a west coast city late PM and then fly to a Eastern city get there early AM. So you're on duty basically somewhere from 6pm to 6am. Sleep during the day and fly out that day again late PM.