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07-08-2016, 02:29 PM
#4891
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Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 303
Thats the past.... Have you seen United's pay now, and schedules NOW? Then compare that to ours now.
It sounds like even ALPA is selling us short and not wanting to complete a major overhaul of our contract. Anything less than Industry average pay, benefits and work rules will be a NO vote for me. We have been the most underpaid pilot group for years! We operate similar equipment as everyone else but we carry more passengers, Fly crappier schedules, stay in budget hotels, which equals more money per hour in my opinion. Don't listen to Indigo's BS that we are a ULCC and we pay pilots ULCC rates. That argument doesn't work when they buy fuel, lease gate or pay all other fixed expenses, and its centainly won't fly when it comes to pilot pay. I really hope this pilot group for once stands up to these corporate pirates and get whats long overdue.
It sounds like even ALPA is selling us short and not wanting to complete a major overhaul of our contract. Anything less than Industry average pay, benefits and work rules will be a NO vote for me. We have been the most underpaid pilot group for years! We operate similar equipment as everyone else but we carry more passengers, Fly crappier schedules, stay in budget hotels, which equals more money per hour in my opinion. Don't listen to Indigo's BS that we are a ULCC and we pay pilots ULCC rates. That argument doesn't work when they buy fuel, lease gate or pay all other fixed expenses, and its centainly won't fly when it comes to pilot pay. I really hope this pilot group for once stands up to these corporate pirates and get whats long overdue.
07-08-2016, 07:02 PM
#4892
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,861
Thats the past.... Have you seen United's pay now, and schedules NOW? Then compare that to ours now.
It sounds like even ALPA is selling us short and not wanting to complete a major overhaul of our contract. Anything less than Industry average pay, benefits and work rules will be a NO vote for me. We have been the most underpaid pilot group for years! We operate similar equipment as everyone else but we carry more passengers, Fly crappier schedules, stay in budget hotels, which equals more money per hour in my opinion. Don't listen to Indigo's BS that we are a ULCC and we pay pilots ULCC rates. That argument doesn't work when they buy fuel, lease gate or pay all other fixed expenses, and its centainly won't fly when it comes to pilot pay. I really hope this pilot group for once stands up to these corporate pirates and get whats long overdue.
It sounds like even ALPA is selling us short and not wanting to complete a major overhaul of our contract. Anything less than Industry average pay, benefits and work rules will be a NO vote for me. We have been the most underpaid pilot group for years! We operate similar equipment as everyone else but we carry more passengers, Fly crappier schedules, stay in budget hotels, which equals more money per hour in my opinion. Don't listen to Indigo's BS that we are a ULCC and we pay pilots ULCC rates. That argument doesn't work when they buy fuel, lease gate or pay all other fixed expenses, and its centainly won't fly when it comes to pilot pay. I really hope this pilot group for once stands up to these corporate pirates and get whats long overdue.
Pilot up to ALPA National structure. Learn the ALPA bylaws and you will get better results. Communicate to your ALPA reps and introduce LEC resolutions.
If all else fails - if/when the TA comes out before the strike (Indigo's style) and you don't like it - vote no. Talking crap about the organization that will get you where you want to go and give you a solid merger policy is NOT the way to go IMO.
07-08-2016, 07:34 PM
#4893
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Joined APC: Aug 2009
Position: A318-320 Front row, left of center
Posts: 49
Not 6 months with ALPA yet and do not even have a TA in front of you to evaluate and you are crapping all over them ?! WoW
Pilot up to ALPA National structure. Learn the ALPA bylaws and you will get better results. Communicate to your ALPA reps and introduce LEC resolutions.
If all else fails - if/when the TA comes out before the strike (Indigo's style) and you don't like it - vote no. Talking crap about the organization that will get you where you want to go and give you a solid merger policy is NOT the way to go IMO.
Pilot up to ALPA National structure. Learn the ALPA bylaws and you will get better results. Communicate to your ALPA reps and introduce LEC resolutions.
If all else fails - if/when the TA comes out before the strike (Indigo's style) and you don't like it - vote no. Talking crap about the organization that will get you where you want to go and give you a solid merger policy is NOT the way to go IMO.
07-08-2016, 08:42 PM
#4894
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Joined APC: Aug 2009
Position: A318-320 Front row, left of center
Posts: 49
Well ****head I was replying to Shrek,not u. ORD base?
07-09-2016, 06:37 AM
#4896
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,861
I'm worried to see the first TA, I can assure you that it will not pass. I've been ALPA before and was crapped on to use your terms. If ALPA was serious about our negotiations they wouldn't have sent in the B team. I totally plan on a strike happening, there is no other way to get a industry standard contract. So far communications have sucked! Do you even work at F9? I bet not
If the communication is lacking volunteer for the F9 pilot group in some capacity. I am glad to hear that you are emotionally and financially prepared for a strike because that is what I see for your future.
The B team? When are LEC elections and put in somebody that is part of your "A" team. That is what I meant about bottom up structure. Anyways - I will be on your picket line whenever I am called - first coffee or beer is on me.
07-09-2016, 08:30 AM
#4897
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 497
How dare anyone have a different opinion...........
07-09-2016, 09:16 AM
#4899
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
Posts: 567
Depends on your situation. Are you FO or CA? If you are Mesa CA it will take you few years to make your money back. Defiantly don't count on 2 year upgrades. That's the only leverage management has when it comes to attracting pilots. It's basic math, we have 1000 pilots right now upgrades are going around 640ish. We would need at least 1600-1700 pilots. Min 3 years best scenario
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