Frontier Hiring.
03-06-2016, 09:04 AM
#4211
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Both airlines operate under "status quo" (i.e. current contracts) until a new CBA is ratified amongst the new pilot group, but before that a union merger must occur. And somewhere in the mix you have to throw in the agreement for the seniority list integration.
03-06-2016, 09:28 AM
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Thanks guys. And I know this is highly speculative stuff and not really worth the brain power expended, but what are your thoughts wrt bases? Do you see any obvious redundancies that would necessitate a closure here or there? I mean hopefully not, but anything glaring?
03-06-2016, 10:35 AM
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Spirit: ACY DTW DFW FLL LAS ORD
I think it would effect focus cities but not bases immediately. You wouldn't think we'd carry ACY TTN and PHL, but then again that's the epicenter of the nation's population, so who knows.
Frontier has put a lot of focus on MIA, would that continue with a large presence in FLL? No idea.
Both Spirit and Frontier want/need ORD gate space badly, I definitely don't see that shrinking.
And obviously combining our presence in LAS would be a welcome marriage.
Overall it is a pretty good fit and a merged company would have the flexibility to choose which airports will remain focus cities/bases without merger conditions set by the DOJ.
03-06-2016, 12:48 PM
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Anyone talking about merging and seniority mergers, and where they would fall, I think is way premature.
We, Frontier, only had 630 some pilots in Oct 2013 and now we have 1000. A rumor is 250-300 newhires this year alone. (I find this one hard to believe). But it will be at least close to 200. And we are going to grow like this for several more years. So our relative seniority is going to change drastically. A snapshot now is pretty worthless.
I doubt if we will merge anytime soon or if at all. But if we do we'd be at least around 1400 pilots when it happens with the middle hired in April 2014.
We, Frontier, only had 630 some pilots in Oct 2013 and now we have 1000. A rumor is 250-300 newhires this year alone. (I find this one hard to believe). But it will be at least close to 200. And we are going to grow like this for several more years. So our relative seniority is going to change drastically. A snapshot now is pretty worthless.
I doubt if we will merge anytime soon or if at all. But if we do we'd be at least around 1400 pilots when it happens with the middle hired in April 2014.
03-06-2016, 01:09 PM
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Anyone talking about merging and seniority mergers, and where they would fall, I think is way premature.
We, Frontier, only had 630 some pilots in Oct 2013 and now we have 1000. A rumor is 250-300 newhires this year alone. (I find this one hard to believe). But it will be at least close to 200. And we are going to grow like this for several more years. So our relative seniority is going to change drastically. A snapshot now is pretty worthless.
I doubt if we will merge anytime soon or if at all. But if we do we'd be at least around 1400 pilots when it happens with the middle hired in April 2014.
We, Frontier, only had 630 some pilots in Oct 2013 and now we have 1000. A rumor is 250-300 newhires this year alone. (I find this one hard to believe). But it will be at least close to 200. And we are going to grow like this for several more years. So our relative seniority is going to change drastically. A snapshot now is pretty worthless.
I doubt if we will merge anytime soon or if at all. But if we do we'd be at least around 1400 pilots when it happens with the middle hired in April 2014.
I would agree and I don't mean to jump the gun. I haven't spoken with one person on our property that doesn't respect and hope for the best for the F9 guys and gals. I personally think the important piece of the puzzle is independent contracts for both groups. Believe me if we are dealing with NK management we will all be waiting decades before a JCBA comes to fruition. Good look to you guys in your negotiations/ALPA drive/whatever road you should take. It appears were both gonna need it.
03-07-2016, 05:13 AM
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What is with this fascination of merging F9 and NK??? Past mergers usually result in a segment of the pilot group getting screwed. Correct me if I'm wrong but I see no benefit of a merger with NK. Sure, we operate the same equipment and have similar business models but F9 has the momentum/growth/stability and I would also argue we have better long term prospects for our pilots vs. Spirit's recent turmoil/lackluster performance/dismal ratings/instability.
03-07-2016, 07:15 AM
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What is with this fascination of merging F9 and NK??? Past mergers usually result in a segment of the pilot group getting screwed. Correct me if I'm wrong but I see no benefit of a merger with NK. Sure, we operate the same equipment and have similar business models but F9 has the momentum/growth/stability and I would also argue we have better long term prospects for our pilots vs. Spirit's recent turmoil/lackluster performance/dismal ratings/instability.
03-07-2016, 07:36 AM
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What is with this fascination of merging F9 and NK??? Past mergers usually result in a segment of the pilot group getting screwed. Correct me if I'm wrong but I see no benefit of a merger with NK. Sure, we operate the same equipment and have similar business models but F9 has the momentum/growth/stability and I would also argue we have better long term prospects for our pilots vs. Spirit's recent turmoil/lackluster performance/dismal ratings/instability.
I'm sorry, what?, lol. Am I reading this correctly?, you are saying F9 is a better run/more profitable company and has a more stable future?
slow down, you guys are where we were years ago. Nobody knows exactly what your costs & profit is because you are a private company. I'd wait before you declare F9 as a "better" airline in the future
03-07-2016, 08:04 AM
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I'm sorry, what?, lol. Am I reading this correctly?, you are saying F9 is a better run/more profitable company and has a more stable future?
slow down, you guys are where we were years ago. Nobody knows exactly what your costs & profit is because you are a private company. I'd wait before you declare F9 as a "better" airline in the future
slow down, you guys are where we were years ago. Nobody knows exactly what your costs & profit is because you are a private company. I'd wait before you declare F9 as a "better" airline in the future
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03-07-2016, 08:06 AM
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Kinda like arguing over who's got the best double-wide as far as I'm concerned.
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