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Old 02-15-2015, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by sulkair
Oh I know I'm going to catch hell for this...

Jug - can we be very very honest for a second. I'm a vet so I look up to you officers, and I don't blame you one bit, but lets be real... You guys knew where you were going when you came here. Come on. O's all the way up to full bird with a lifetime built cadre of tight connections and squadron buddies at the big 3 pulling for them... Are they really gonna settle down at little ol' F9? It was a choice between an RJ or an Airbus to get your 121 time. You chose wisely
No "hell" from me, and I've been nothing but honest on this subject with everyone (including the F9 CP)--but that's a drastically oversimplified statement of the facts you've made there. I had every intention of staying at F9 when I started there, and a grand total of three contacts (not highly placed) at the "Big 3." I was annoyed by all the issues others have raised here about pay amount & hassles getting it. I don't think I would have left F9--at least not "easily"--for any airline, legacy or otherwise, besides DL (which had been my first choice all along). As it was, I struggled with the decision to leave (though I have no regrets looking back...).

Now, your last sentence I can get behind--I'm very glad to have cut my 121 teeth on an Airbus instead of an RJ!
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Old 02-15-2015, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Flymonkey10
Sulk,

No confrontation taken at all. The pay issues are junior mans I've had to fight to get paid for. The other pay issues are unbelievable. At my last airline, never an issue. Here? Listen to the people you fly with if they have payroll issues.

The management has zero value for their employees. ZERO. The contract is weak, at best. But they violate it regularly, and intentionally.

Staying? Hmmm...could be huge gamble to stay or go, like anything. There is a fight to be had at here to make it better. But it will be a fight.

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There will be a fight all right, but it will mostly be the pilot group fighting amongst themselves. It does not matter if you think the equity stake is fair or not. As you can see they are already using it to divide the pilot group. Very soon, the end of 2015?, the pilot group will be equal and there will be those holding on to the dream of a 300,000 dollar pay out and negotiating from that stand point and the other half that wants to be brought up to industry standard. Indigo does not even have to hire Ford and Harrison during negotiations. Of course they may be in and out before we even get to that point.
Then we will be arguing about if FAPA money will be used to fight the inevitable lawsuits that will happen when the equity payouts don't turn out as planned as we are negotiating a contract. Might happen, might not, just like St. Augustine is going to be our east coast base.
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Old 02-15-2015, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Moonbeam
There will be a fight all right, but it will mostly be the pilot group fighting amongst themselves. It does not matter if you think the equity stake is fair or not. As you can see they are already using it to divide the pilot group. Very soon, the end of 2015?, the pilot group will be equal and there will be those holding on to the dream of a 300,000 dollar pay out and negotiating from that stand point and the other half that wants to be brought up to industry standard. Indigo does not even have to hire Ford and Harrison during negotiations. Of course they may be in and out before we even get to that point.
Then we will be arguing about if FAPA money will be used to fight the inevitable lawsuits that will happen when the equity payouts don't turn out as planned as we are negotiating a contract. Might happen, might not, just like St. Augustine is going to be our east coast base.
FAPA Invest is a completely separate entity, and their investments will have ZERO impact on future contract negotiations now matter how many times upper management mentions it. Didn't Indigo already make a pass a FAPA Invest before the purchase of Frontier? And that produced nothing, correct? FAPA Invest is an investment group and its % in the company, as already mentioned, has been bought and paid for by the pilots that were on property during the signing of the LOA. I don't see 'a war between the old regime and new-hires.' We have a few self-serving super senior guys here that see nothing but rainbows and ponies for the future, but mostly our veterans have their heads on straight. We'll have our fight but not against eachother. Cheer-up!
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Old 02-15-2015, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Scooter2525
Could you clarify that last part?
The IPO will be announced last Thursday, the 12th. He's dead certain of it.
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Old 02-15-2015, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by OpenClimb
I believe you are suffering the lingering effects management's bs rah-rah speech offered during recurrent ground school. I prescribe a 5 day trip consisting of at least a couple TTN and MKE overnights as a cure for this affliction.

LOL! You might be right! I'm going to try some home remedies and a good night's rest before I resort to getting your prescription filled. Something tells me I'll be back to normal in the morning.
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Old 02-15-2015, 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Jughead135
No "hell" from me, and I've been nothing but honest on this subject with everyone (including the F9 CP)--but that's a drastically oversimplified statement of the facts you've made there. I had every intention of staying at F9 when I started there, and a grand total of three contacts (not highly placed) at the "Big 3." I was annoyed by all the issues others have raised here about pay amount & hassles getting it. I don't think I would have left F9--at least not "easily"--for any airline, legacy or otherwise, besides DL (which had been my first choice all along). As it was, I struggled with the decision to leave (though I have no regrets looking back...).

Now, your last sentence I can get behind--I'm very glad to have cut my 121 teeth on an Airbus instead of an RJ!
Sounds good Jug; I did over-simplify. I take you at your word. Good luck and I hope you will keep checking in on us here from time to time to share your perspectives and experiences. Your posts over a year ago did much to help me and others get hired.

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Old 02-16-2015, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Barley
Let me go ahead and give you folks all the gouge and guidance you'll ever need for an airline interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQLIU9OiW7U
That is hilarious - excellent gouge!!
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Old 02-16-2015, 12:58 PM
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I don't think new hires give 2 weeks notice any more. You get terminated on the spot and lose out on 2 weeks of pay. No brainer.
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Old 02-16-2015, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Cross Check
I don't think new hires give 2 weeks notice any more. You get terminated on the spot and lose out on 2 weeks of pay. No brainer.
What are you considering a new hire? what you're saying makes sense if it's someone in class.
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Old 02-16-2015, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by MtnPeakCruiser
FAPA Invest is a completely separate entity, and their investments will have ZERO impact on future contract negotiations now matter how many times upper management mentions it. Didn't Indigo already make a pass a FAPA Invest before the purchase of Frontier? And that produced nothing, correct? FAPA Invest is an investment group and its % in the company, as already mentioned, has been bought and paid for by the pilots that were on property during the signing of the LOA. I don't see 'a war between the old regime and new-hires.' We have a few self-serving super senior guys here that see nothing but rainbows and ponies for the future, but mostly our veterans have their heads on straight. We'll have our fight but not against eachother. Cheer-up!
This is true. Plus, most likely going public will happen long before the new hires out number the people at Frontier before the hiring started. My hope is they see that equity in a big number. They have put up with what goes on at here for a long time, they deserve every penny.

From what I've been told, the firing is for people on line that are leaving. Plan accordingly.
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