Frontier jets will fly out of Milwaukee
#111
I've asked before but the RAH pilots conveniently ignore it but do you expect the YX pilots to sit on our hands as FAPA, IBT and the rev fight about whether the F9 pilots are integrated. You say 3 days until this "meeting" but it's my understanding there isn't such a meeting scheduled and FAPA refuses to meet. FAPA and BB have an agreement to not integrate. So once more the pilots of YX should just sit happily by receiving the gov't cheese as you fight it out and most likely lose.
#112
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 798
So when you said that everyone at RAH is scabs and they willingly crossed a picket line what you really meant is that there was no picket line and nobody crossed anything. I see. Making it up as we go are we?
There's never been any lockout. Several here have said that everyone was waiting for the Frontier deal to close to start integration talks. It's what the RLA states. I replied to you specifically urging patience and that everyone wants to work together. Instead you wanted arbitration and wanted it now. Since the arbitration your hate here has increased 10 times over. Sorry it didn't go the way you wanted.
TPG and BB might be in bed who knows. I don't and I know you don't. What's that have to do with the pilots? The first thing the MEC did was get in communications with the Midwest MEC. Both of the, released statements verifying it(the very next day). There were RAH pilots at your information picket in support. There were several, including myself, here saying the last thing they wanted were 190s on property and didn't want to see midwest pilots out of jobs. So where are you getting this info from? Lately your posts are just wild swings at the air. Your credibility is drowning. Give it a rest with the relentless bashing and made up facts of yours. Obviously you can't prove anything you say. If you could then the arbitrator would have had something to go on.
There's never been any lockout. Several here have said that everyone was waiting for the Frontier deal to close to start integration talks. It's what the RLA states. I replied to you specifically urging patience and that everyone wants to work together. Instead you wanted arbitration and wanted it now. Since the arbitration your hate here has increased 10 times over. Sorry it didn't go the way you wanted.
TPG and BB might be in bed who knows. I don't and I know you don't. What's that have to do with the pilots? The first thing the MEC did was get in communications with the Midwest MEC. Both of the, released statements verifying it(the very next day). There were RAH pilots at your information picket in support. There were several, including myself, here saying the last thing they wanted were 190s on property and didn't want to see midwest pilots out of jobs. So where are you getting this info from? Lately your posts are just wild swings at the air. Your credibility is drowning. Give it a rest with the relentless bashing and made up facts of yours. Obviously you can't prove anything you say. If you could then the arbitrator would have had something to go on.
1. I never said we were on strike.
2. We are being furloughed because your EXCO will not schedule integration talks until after Oct 1. Delta/Northwest and Southwest/Frontier both worked on integration before the merger/purchase.
Why can't Republic, Midwest, Frontier .. have merger talks before the closing on Oct 1?
My answer, in a vacuum of information from your EXCO, and it is a logical reason...
So Republic pilots can be positioned in all the Midwest jobs or what I call a
lock-out the Midwest pilots
Last edited by MD80; 09-29-2009 at 06:34 AM.
#113
Also I sent you a private message and you never responded.
#115
I've asked before but the RAH pilots conveniently ignore it but do you expect the YX pilots to sit on our hands as FAPA, IBT and the rev fight about whether the F9 pilots are integrated. You say 3 days until this "meeting" but it's my understanding there isn't such a meeting scheduled and FAPA refuses to meet. FAPA and BB have an agreement to not integrate. So once more the pilots of YX should just sit happily by receiving the gov't cheese as you fight it out and most likely lose.
#116
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 523
Where are you getting this? Prime example of misinformation and rectal oratorio. As for FAPA pilots being scabs and undermining YX guys, well, I doubt the YX guys would do as they are insisting F9 and RAH pilots do if the roles were reversed. Unprofessional, to say the least. I understand the frustration, but...seriously?
#117
Where have I said a word about what F9 guys should do? I've purposely have stayed out of anything to do with F9. Both BB and FAPA has expressed their desire to keep the F9 and RAH seniority lists separate. Is it a coincidence that they both believe the same thing and they don't have any kind of agreement?
#118
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 523
No violation if BB gets his buddies at TPG and Wexford to split 50%. At 50% ownership there is no violation and he still has control. Believe me if BB wants them separate they will be separate. He may be just using it as negotiating capital. You may think your scope clause is bulletproof but there is and never will be such a thing.
#119
Where have I said a word about what F9 guys should do? I've purposely have stayed out of anything to do with F9. Both BB and FAPA has expressed their desire to keep the F9 and RAH seniority lists separate. Is it a coincidence that they both believe the same thing and they don't have any kind of agreement?
#120
I guess I don't understand where you got the idea that FAPA (aka, F9) wants to keep the seniority lists separate? I'm an F9 guy, and I believe that it's a foregone conclusion that the seniority lists will be integrated, per the RAH contract. As much as it might sting to take a bit of a possible seniority cut due to some super-senior pilots at RAH, we'll take our lumps. Saying that "FAPA and BB have an agreement to not integrate seniority lists" is inaccurate and misleading. BB has expressed his desire to stay away from integrating, but I believe (just my opinion) that FAPA has actually expressed desires to integrate in order to avoid any sort of whipsaw between the pilot groups. Also, "expressing desire" and "having an agreement" are two completely separate things.
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