Originally Posted by dracir1

You have to be the DUMBEST MANAGEMENT TEAM in the world to be the worst in on time performance as an airline over and over unless you really don't care about it. Let's be honest, being on-time is self-determined. No one else is determining what out times we should have. WE PICK OUR OWN OUT TIMES. Albeit, it's months in advance but changing your on time percentage is as easy as changing your times. Scheduling greater times in between flights would increase that (but probably also decrease profit). So, let's not act like mgt is all that serious about it. The emails/videos are just ploys to get the workers to work harder (and be at each other). You simply can't consistently turn a 180 seat aircraft in 55 minutes 5-6 times a day. Everything would have to go perfectly (no mx issues, lots of wheelchairs, cleanings, etc.) and it never does. We have been consistent with being on time 50% of the time. That's really not bad considering the process isn't designed to be on time at all. Do people REALLY think CEOs and VP of Operations don't know this? I bet operations meetings discuss more about how we can squeeze MORE flights into the day vs. trying to be on time. Wasting fuel waiting an hour or two for a gate is less expensive than not having the flight go at all.

Once people learn that Frontier isn't about people, they will understand ULCC (most don't seem to). F9 does not care about their customers. F9 does not care about their workers. F9 does not care about great maintenance or safety or any of that. They care and ONLY care about meeting the minimum adequacy in every single dept (just enough to keep DOT/FAA off their back) and turn a profit. That is all. Many think that ULCC wants to make the GREATEST amount of profit they can - this ALSO is not true. It's been proven that if you care about your employees and customers, that profit tends to be at a higher margin (see SWA, Chick-Fil-A, Buccees, Amazon, etc) but F9 doesn't ascribe to that way of thinking.

So, in essence, whatever you get from F9 (be it a better salary or a refund or maybe just a bottle of water), you will have to fight for it. They give away nothing. Everything anyone gets (employee or customer) usually takes multiple requests (and perhaps even a lawsuit), collective bargaining and a whole lot of frustration. Any allusion to a "new" way of doing business is an illusion - it's simply the same philosophy in different packaging.

Which is why THIS contract cycle is so important. Important enough to strike. Yes, STRIKE. It's time. It's needed. I don't care WHAT is offered. F9 could come at us with current Big pay rates, 5 weeks of vacation, PTO (instead of sick leave), better LTD, etc. and we still say NO. I wanna know just how much we can get and accepting an offer prior to striking won't reveal that (and does anyone really think that will be offered?) F9 needs to learn to respect its employees more - and we have to earn that respect.

It really is more of a test of the RLA and it's current capacity. We are less than 4% of the market, and if we aren't allowed to strike, then the RLA isn't functional. I think it'd be nice to know - maybe even be the catalyst for restructuring it completely.

Originally Posted by hercretired

nobody in management, to include CEO, President, Director of the Universe, nobody, can "force the share price down."

this is all a big game.

low share prices does NOTHING positive for Frontier.

Originally Posted by dracir1

You're kidding right?

Originally Posted by Noisecanceller

Do you even understand the labor market in India? People work for nothing and will work their asses off for it bc they know they are disposable. US labor doesn’t operate that why which is one of the reasons why the ULCC model does not work here. You cannot treat employees poorly and expect them to still do a good job for you. The alternative for them isn’t living in a gutter and ****ting in the street like it is in India. Get a clue.

Originally Posted by hercretired

no, I am not.

That is my position/opinion on this topic.

I respect your opinion on the matter but I stand by my position. Management can influence a share price up (actually run a well performaing operation, stock buybacks, etc) but to send it down requires them to burn the house down, then to "buy it back later" (???), which makes no sense. In addition, this goes against every CEO 101 class at every MBA program in America.

never say never I suppose

but yes that is my opinion

Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker

Why would indigo intentionally tank share price if they were using 50% stock to purchase nk? They would cost themselves a ton of $/shares by doing so. Are you saying they became incompetent intentionally after the failed merger?
a few folks at mountain capital have speculated on indigo buying back shares and going private again. The problem becomes if it can be proven management tanked the stock intentionally to do that they would open themselves up to litigation from some large institutional legal departments.
For that reason I just don’t see the market cap tank as intentional but I guess anything is possible. IMO it’s just incompetence from leadership.

Originally Posted by Jetalc

Screw Mountain Capital. They do not have your best interests in mind.

Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker

Ok. I don’t use them personally but they do understand when and why it would make sense to take f9 private again. They had access to indigo/f9 financial insider information through Fapa invest for years.

Originally Posted by Aero1900

They don't anymore so it's just speculation.

Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker

Right it’s speculation. Based on financial information as well as meetings with franke they had previously when f9 wasn’t publicly traded. That’s a little more insight than your average line pilot but who knows? It’s not like they were saying it’s happening for sure.