Class Dates and Hiring
06-26-2024, 08:38 AM
#51
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2021
Position: Joystick Operator
Posts: 886
FOs on the other hand are younger, wanting to leave, picking up ALL the open time + all the premium and there is a rush to get your hours and get out.
I could credit 70hrs like I was doing when I first got here every month, but I want a house soon, so I am trying to get at least 90+ every month, do I just not pick up premium? I would like to get paid more for my 70hrs, but seeing others picking up everything and crediting 120+hrs when I could be doing the same is a cycle that is doomed to repeat itself. This goes for a lot of pilots, when you need to credit 120hrs to equal the same pay that other airline pilots make with flat 75hr lines in a world where inflation has hit hard over the last 3 years.
Every single operational issue is out of our control and BL already admitted that when he sent out the follow up email to us stating that pilots only account for 0.5% of operational delays. That is only 3.5 flights a day that are late because of US, the pilot group. I would love to see the list of reasons as well as percentages for other employee groups. The last week we had a plane that had been sitting at a pad since 3pm the previous day as our plane scheduled for a 5am departure. Get there, no plane at the gate. Turns out no one towed it over and there were mechanics ready to tow it at 4am, but there was no ramp crew to give it a GPU to power it since the APU gen was inop. The mx crew didn't know that they could start the plane and thought they needed an air start cart, so they waited for the rampers to bring that. We were 1.5hrs delayed on our turn.
Getting sent to IAH without an APU and no one answering ops for the 3 frontier planes trying to get into the gates and no one knowing which is going where, just to be sent to a gate with no ground air and its 100 degrees outside. CUN turns with no APU. Rampers sitting there shooting the ****** on their phones while we come up to the gate, just to walk slowly to get stuff set up and then walk to marshall us in. Meanwhile, Delta's crews are ready and in place to marshall their planes before the plane even is close to the gate so they can go right in.
There is such a lack of care and communication between departments. But hey, wave at your pax with the bear paw, it will make them happier when they get off their 2hr delayed flight or the flight that boarded and cancelled.
06-26-2024, 08:52 AM
#52
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2015
Posts: 329
CAs are having better lives and basically flying their line + premium. But there are so many open time trips and lots of premium with very little reserves.
FOs on the other hand are younger, wanting to leave, picking up ALL the open time + all the premium and there is a rush to get your hours and get out.
I could credit 70hrs like I was doing when I first got here every month, but I want a house soon, so I am trying to get at least 90+ every month, do I just not pick up premium? I would like to get paid more for my 70hrs, but seeing others picking up everything and crediting 120+hrs when I could be doing the same is a cycle that is doomed to repeat itself. This goes for a lot of pilots, when you need to credit 120hrs to equal the same pay that other airline pilots make with flat 75hr lines in a world where inflation has hit hard over the last 3 years.
Every single operational issue is out of our control and BL already admitted that when he sent out the follow up email to us stating that pilots only account for 0.5% of operational delays. That is only 3.5 flights a day that are late because of US, the pilot group. I would love to see the list of reasons as well as percentages for other employee groups. The last week we had a plane that had been sitting at a pad since 3pm the previous day as our plane scheduled for a 5am departure. Get there, no plane at the gate. Turns out no one towed it over and there were mechanics ready to tow it at 4am, but there was no ramp crew to give it a GPU to power it since the APU gen was inop. The mx crew didn't know that they could start the plane and thought they needed an air start cart, so they waited for the rampers to bring that. We were 1.5hrs delayed on our turn.
Getting sent to IAH without an APU and no one answering ops for the 3 frontier planes trying to get into the gates and no one knowing which is going where, just to be sent to a gate with no ground air and its 100 degrees outside. CUN turns with no APU. Rampers sitting there shooting the ****** on their phones while we come up to the gate, just to walk slowly to get stuff set up and then walk to marshall us in. Meanwhile, Delta's crews are ready and in place to marshall their planes before the plane even is close to the gate so they can go right in.
There is such a lack of care and communication between departments. But hey, wave at your pax with the bear paw, it will make them happier when they get off their 2hr delayed flight or the flight that boarded and cancelled.
FOs on the other hand are younger, wanting to leave, picking up ALL the open time + all the premium and there is a rush to get your hours and get out.
I could credit 70hrs like I was doing when I first got here every month, but I want a house soon, so I am trying to get at least 90+ every month, do I just not pick up premium? I would like to get paid more for my 70hrs, but seeing others picking up everything and crediting 120+hrs when I could be doing the same is a cycle that is doomed to repeat itself. This goes for a lot of pilots, when you need to credit 120hrs to equal the same pay that other airline pilots make with flat 75hr lines in a world where inflation has hit hard over the last 3 years.
Every single operational issue is out of our control and BL already admitted that when he sent out the follow up email to us stating that pilots only account for 0.5% of operational delays. That is only 3.5 flights a day that are late because of US, the pilot group. I would love to see the list of reasons as well as percentages for other employee groups. The last week we had a plane that had been sitting at a pad since 3pm the previous day as our plane scheduled for a 5am departure. Get there, no plane at the gate. Turns out no one towed it over and there were mechanics ready to tow it at 4am, but there was no ramp crew to give it a GPU to power it since the APU gen was inop. The mx crew didn't know that they could start the plane and thought they needed an air start cart, so they waited for the rampers to bring that. We were 1.5hrs delayed on our turn.
Getting sent to IAH without an APU and no one answering ops for the 3 frontier planes trying to get into the gates and no one knowing which is going where, just to be sent to a gate with no ground air and its 100 degrees outside. CUN turns with no APU. Rampers sitting there shooting the ****** on their phones while we come up to the gate, just to walk slowly to get stuff set up and then walk to marshall us in. Meanwhile, Delta's crews are ready and in place to marshall their planes before the plane even is close to the gate so they can go right in.
There is such a lack of care and communication between departments. But hey, wave at your pax with the bear paw, it will make them happier when they get off their 2hr delayed flight or the flight that boarded and cancelled.
06-26-2024, 02:15 PM
#53
CHILLAX
Joined APC: Dec 2023
Posts: 118
This month will definitely be a low point in attrition, most likely. But I'd still expect the running average to sit in the 15-20 range per month. Maybe closer to 15 with WN/AA not hiring rest of '25.
UA is planning something like 300 in December. I still see 2025 a big year for hiring with UA likely playing catchup, meanwhile AA may be back on the trail and WN might re-open hiring in the back half of 25. Delta is doing 1100 per month til at least 2030, I imagine.
There's just no telling what the solutions to the MAX and GTF stuff will be. But it likely will be quick when it happens.
We should gain some insight into August within 4 weeks of today. But it's gonna be a minute.
UA is planning something like 300 in December. I still see 2025 a big year for hiring with UA likely playing catchup, meanwhile AA may be back on the trail and WN might re-open hiring in the back half of 25. Delta is doing 1100 per month til at least 2030, I imagine.
There's just no telling what the solutions to the MAX and GTF stuff will be. But it likely will be quick when it happens.
We should gain some insight into August within 4 weeks of today. But it's gonna be a minute.
06-29-2024, 06:51 AM
#58
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Joined APC: Jun 2021
Position: Joystick Operator
Posts: 886
It sucks, but it is just another wave in the industry.
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