Class Dates and Hiring
06-21-2024, 12:00 PM
#41
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UA is planning something like 300 in December. I still see 2025 a big year for hiring with UA likely playing catchup, meanwhile AA may be back on the trail and WN might re-open hiring in the back half of 25. Delta is doing 1100 per month til at least 2030, I imagine.
There's just no telling what the solutions to the MAX and GTF stuff will be. But it likely will be quick when it happens.
We should gain some insight into August within 4 weeks of today. But it's gonna be a minute.
06-21-2024, 01:04 PM
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With all due respect, no it won’t. When every airline was hiring full steam ahead, 10,000 per year, the worst we saw was an average of 35 per month. That barely started to put a little strain on us but was still manageable.
06-25-2024, 12:56 PM
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I hear August class will probably be cancelled as well but captain upgrades should continue. Perhaps a couple of bids with +CA spots and -FO spots? We will find out in a couple of weeks for July.
06-25-2024, 01:24 PM
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Now Augaust is cancelled as well? If we take these next 12 deliveries by the end of the year we will be even more spread thin... any new hires we hire from September onward we won't see hit the line until the start of 2025. We then start taking 42 airplanes for the next 3 years. We can barely get 50% ontime performance and a 96% completion factor. Could you imagine how bad it will get if we don't have anymore people coming through the door for next year?
06-25-2024, 01:35 PM
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Now Augaust is cancelled as well? If we take these next 12 deliveries by the end of the year we will be even more spread thin... any new hires we hire from September onward we won't see hit the line until the start of 2025. We then start taking 42 airplanes for the next 3 years. We can barely get 50% ontime performance and a 96% completion factor. Could you imagine how bad it will get if we don't have anymore people coming through the door for next year?
06-25-2024, 01:41 PM
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Now Augaust is cancelled as well? If we take these next 12 deliveries by the end of the year we will be even more spread thin... any new hires we hire from September onward we won't see hit the line until the start of 2025. We then start taking 42 airplanes for the next 3 years. We can barely get 50% ontime performance and a 96% completion factor. Could you imagine how bad it will get if we don't have anymore people coming through the door for next year?
06-25-2024, 01:59 PM
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The company extended 10-20 of our leases for a couple more years back in January to mitigate any planes going down for engine issues. The planes are coming next year, and growth will occur...
06-25-2024, 02:42 PM
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From what I understand we won't have more than 3-4 planes out at a time as we rotate maintenance. Shouldn't be much of an impact.
06-25-2024, 03:33 PM
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Now Augaust is cancelled as well? If we take these next 12 deliveries by the end of the year we will be even more spread thin... any new hires we hire from September onward we won't see hit the line until the start of 2025. We then start taking 42 airplanes for the next 3 years. We can barely get 50% ontime performance and a 96% completion factor. Could you imagine how bad it will get if we don't have anymore people coming through the door for next year?
06-26-2024, 07:27 AM
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Is it crew issues that are causing the problems though? I doubt it. I’m guessing If the operation was appropriately staffed on the ground side our metrics would be just slightly below the legacies. We would probably still see some metric slippage due to our high utilization making it more difficult to recover.
Gate agents, ticket agents, rampers, mechanics, etc, that plus running too lean on gates. I've arrived into ATL on time about 10 to 15 times this month and waited for a gate until well after our scheduled arrival time and then leave late. Wasn't my fault. But I don't have a gate to park at and not enough airport staff to manage it.
Until premium trips are routinely sitting untaken, we have zero flight crew staffing issues.
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