Class Dates and Hiring
07-10-2024, 08:21 PM
#101
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......at a time. The shared information was that we were only going to have 3-4 aircraft down at one point in time.. Or perhaps the intent was more that we are going to only be at worst 4 planes short on max utilization when factoring in extended leases as "replacements" during those planes downtime, spare engines, etc.
Optimistic? Maybe? Possible? I don't have inside info but I don't see why not.
With 42 incoming new aircraft that aren't impacted by the engine issues, I think the case can definitely be made that we have means of avoiding running into prolonged periods of > 2-4 aircraft down at a time by extending leases on existing 321 CEOs (that were due to be phased out) and obtaining spare engines. Seems plausible to me.
Optimistic? Maybe? Possible? I don't have inside info but I don't see why not.
With 42 incoming new aircraft that aren't impacted by the engine issues, I think the case can definitely be made that we have means of avoiding running into prolonged periods of > 2-4 aircraft down at a time by extending leases on existing 321 CEOs (that were due to be phased out) and obtaining spare engines. Seems plausible to me.
The company obviously has a plan unlike Spirit that got unlucky and got hit with the inspections as a nasty surprise. At least Frontier is going into knowing what's happening.
The biggest problem is that the engine inspections are taking an unbelievable amount of time. Like nearly a year! I do not know how long it took to get the roughly 35 first 321NEOs but I'm guessing we took delivery over an 18 month period? If that's the case, these airplanes are going to be hitting the 3500 hours and going down for inspections every couple weeks. There's just no way that we will only be down 4 planes at a time. I'm thinkimg there will come a time when most of the 35 are out of service at the same time. Can't see how they can prevent that. Let's say in 2 years we have 15 NEOs out of service simultaneously, that will be less than 10% of the fleet but it's still significant. Not nearly as bad as Sprit has it, but this is going to slow our growth temporarily.
07-11-2024, 02:11 AM
#102
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I don't really know.
The company obviously has a plan unlike Spirit that got unlucky and got hit with the inspections as a nasty surprise. At least Frontier is going into knowing what's happening.
The biggest problem is that the engine inspections are taking an unbelievable amount of time. Like nearly a year! I do not know how long it took to get the roughly 35 first 321NEOs but I'm guessing we took delivery over an 18 month period? If that's the case, these airplanes are going to be hitting the 3500 hours and going down for inspections every couple weeks. There's just no way that we will only be down 4 planes at a time. I'm thinkimg there will come a time when most of the 35 are out of service at the same time. Can't see how they can prevent that. Let's say in 2 years we have 15 NEOs out of service simultaneously, that will be less than 10% of the fleet but it's still significant. Not nearly as bad as Sprit has it, but this is going to slow our growth temporarily.
The company obviously has a plan unlike Spirit that got unlucky and got hit with the inspections as a nasty surprise. At least Frontier is going into knowing what's happening.
The biggest problem is that the engine inspections are taking an unbelievable amount of time. Like nearly a year! I do not know how long it took to get the roughly 35 first 321NEOs but I'm guessing we took delivery over an 18 month period? If that's the case, these airplanes are going to be hitting the 3500 hours and going down for inspections every couple weeks. There's just no way that we will only be down 4 planes at a time. I'm thinkimg there will come a time when most of the 35 are out of service at the same time. Can't see how they can prevent that. Let's say in 2 years we have 15 NEOs out of service simultaneously, that will be less than 10% of the fleet but it's still significant. Not nearly as bad as Sprit has it, but this is going to slow our growth temporarily.
07-11-2024, 05:17 AM
#103
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Don't know where you're getting your 3500hr number from. I just read the updated AD and depending on which parts you have the inspections are required at either 3800, 5000, or 7,000 cycles. Not hours. If we do an average of 5 flights per day per a321neo, then the average engine will only have to have an inspection between 2 and 4 years old depending on the part. Also the inspection times have come down to about 100 days and will likely continue to decrease. That gives the company time to cycle our planes through maintenance pretty easily considering how new ours are.
Responded to all in the appropriate thread.
07-12-2024, 04:40 PM
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I really can't believe it is extremely significant, we have a good bit of open time, low reserves and premium popping up that is going cancelled because no one picks it up on the FO side.
07-12-2024, 04:59 PM
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AFAIK this has been offered in the past? Seems like a non event/union busting tactic.
I really can't believe it is extremely significant, we have a good bit of open time, low reserves and premium popping up that is going cancelled because no one picks it up on the FO side.
I really can't believe it is extremely significant, we have a good bit of open time, low reserves and premium popping up that is going cancelled because no one picks it up on the FO side.
I guess this answers your question of “What the heck is going on?” Makes sense when I saw we had a 10% reduction of block hours in August. I expect the same for Sept now. Also aligns with what Ed said about over capacity. Interesting times.
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