Aero1900

True. Good luck to the junior schmucks

JK

Aero1900

True. But it took them 4+ years to negotiate that

fivebyfive

2 years if you account for Covid. But you already know that.

Hedley

Thanks for the reply. Good luck with your contract negotiations. Sounds like it could be another typical drawn out event. It should be interesting to watch from the sidelines though.

Chimpy

So was Spirit, lol. Look where we are now……. And hell, we got a mid contract raise…..

Windsor

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The concessions we are likely to face will be small and inconsequential. Our NC is excellent and has excellent support from ALPA national. Trust our NC, they know what they are doing.

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Uhhhhhh, you sure about that???? JL brought us our current substandard turd. I voted no in 18 because it wasn't good enough and there is loophole, god awful language that the company drives trucks through with their "interpretation". I have little faith in the NC. Nothing changes if nothing changes.

I fully agree that negotiations will take a long, long, long time and will be disappointing in the end.

fcoolaiddrinker

[QUOTE=Windsor;3772473][QUOTE=Aero1900;3772291]

The concessions we are likely to face will be small and inconsequential. Our NC is excellent and has excellent support from ALPA national. Trust our NC, they know what they are doing.

Most of it is standard alpa (already argued and tested in arbitration) so I guess everyone has loophole language. It’s more that’s who we work for. These guys will argue anything even when they know it’s not winnable in arbitration. Management has lost several arbitrations already with the language. We have lost zero to my knowledge. They don’t care It’s a delay tactic they’ve been employing for decades now.

Fapa language. That lost multiple arbitrations before it was cleaned up and converted to alpa.
Several examples and definitions added. Negotiations recorded for intent arguments if needed later.
Everything possible was done to try and mitigate some of these tactics but again that’s who we work for.

Aero1900

[QUOTE=Windsor;3772473][QUOTE=Aero1900;3772291]

The concessions we are likely to face will be small and inconsequential. Our NC is excellent and has excellent support from ALPA national. Trust our NC, they know what they are doing.

I disagree. I think JL did a good job. The language in the contract and the contract itself is light years ahead of where we were.

Frontier/ Indigo is who they are. You can't blame their bad behavior on JL. That's just not fair.

putzin

[QUOTE=ULLI;3772138]AA, UA and SW all turned down first proposals.


Spirit accepted first 💩 that the company offered.

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With the attrition at ULCCs you will never achieve an industry standard contract, it is literally impossible. Learn from your own history.

Every day you stay with that misplaced optimism is costing you hundreds of seniority numbers.

"Cheers to your future ".

Stayontarget

I have to say thank goodness we are a public company now because he can’t hide his accounting or intentions nearly as well. He gave away what they budgeted for our contract and has stated multiple times now the profit they intend to reap from the changes easily cover the future contract.

After finally getting to listen to this call…He tried to calm the fears of the CASM hit from our future raise and stated that the contract will cost about quarter of a penny hit on the CASM. After a quick calculation that means they intend for the contract to cost 100M per year toward the pilot group. /2300 for next years pilot group size…essentially they have budgeted 43k raise per year per pilot. How that’s distributed and if that’s enough remains to be seen. My back of the napkin math showed we needed about 150M per year to be on par with the rest.