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Old 03-05-2024, 05:20 PM
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I think ACY is going away here shortly anyway. I'd personally love Day Trips out of Philly. I do wonder if we did merge if System wide day trips would still make sense? Are you guys officially doing majority of day trips over there?
If frontier and spirit merge they will become full blown Ryan Air... Most of the capacity out of the big overlaping bases would be spread out to create even more bases. no way they don't follow the EU ULCC model. If you think about it, it could really really screw so many crew memebers. Next thing you know we have bases in places just like those at Allegiant. Frontier switched to LIDOS charts, is about to begin boarding from the front and back of the planes, and now switching to 90% day trips out of its domiciles. It's pretty clear they are transforming into a europeen ULCC.


We shall see how the day trip model go's and if it increases profits or works, time will tell.
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Old 03-05-2024, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
I think ACY is going away here shortly anyway. I'd personally love Day Trips out of Philly. I do wonder if we did merge if System wide day trips would still make sense? Are you guys officially doing majority of day trips over there?
We are 68% in March according to BB. But some of the current multiday trips involve a crew going to another base and operating a day trip out of that base. So does he still count that as a day turn? I assume yes. However, that seems to be changing still with realignment/displacement bids to be more correctly staffed in each base. -5 here, +5 here kind of stuff.
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Old 03-09-2024, 07:23 PM
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Day trips wouldn’t be all bad as long they are productive and there is ample open time to swap with , and I get paid more than other airbus pilots in this country.

Many small bases tends to screw you on open time for flexibility and premium pay events for money making.
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Day trips wouldn’t be all bad as long they are productive and there is ample open time to swap with , and I get paid more than other airbus pilots in this country.

Many small bases tends to screw you on open time for flexibility and premium pay events for money making.
yep. If there was a solid amount of 7+hr credit day trips, it would be great. There are some new pairings I have seen the last few months that are 3 legs flying, then 1 DH home and credits almost 9hrs... I would love to see some higher 8+hr credit trips and possibly reaching mid 9hrs.
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yep. If there was a solid amount of 7+hr credit day trips, it would be great. There are some new pairings I have seen the last few months that are 3 legs flying, then 1 DH home and credits almost 9hrs... I would love to see some higher 8+hr credit trips and possibly reaching mid 9hrs.

this sounds aamzing. Bring in on the merger! Lol
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Old 03-10-2024, 10:23 AM
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this sounds aamzing. Bring in on the merger! Lol
it will never happen......
I would guess NK files....the legacy boys,who have MUCH DEEPER POCKETS, pick and choose assets (a/c and orders) .... Frankie won't over spend $$
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it will never happen......
I would guess NK files....the legacy boys,who have MUCH DEEPER POCKETS, pick and choose assets (a/c and orders) .... Frankie won't over spend $$
Which is why I think it does happen prior to NK getting to that point. At this point a cheap offer is all that’s needed and there’s very little competition. There’s still a lot of value in NK if the mistakes can be corrected.
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it will never happen......
I would guess NK files....the legacy boys,who have MUCH DEEPER POCKETS, pick and choose assets (a/c and orders) .... Frankie won't over spend $$

maybe but sounds kind of risky. Everyone assumes its only US Airlines that would want Airbii. Pretty sure European airlines would want them too.
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Old 03-10-2024, 03:37 PM
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maybe but sounds kind of risky. Everyone assumes its only US Airlines that would want Airbii. Pretty sure European airlines would want them too.
I think your saving grace might be how BB and TC are buddies. Sure seemed like they were working in tandem when JB made their offer to buy you. Seemed like TC wanted Barry’s hand in marriage. Not so much Robin. It was the voters that ultimately arranged that marriage.

Again. Entirely speculation. I have no idea.
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“On Possibility of Reengaging with Spirit Airlines for a deal, Frontier CEO says we don’t have time to even spend energy thinking about it.”

-JP Morgan Industrials conference


But also we are moving to the next phase of Business travel by introducing the option to buy out the middle seat on the front two rows.

https://ir.flyfrontier.com/news-releases/news-release-details/frontier-airlines-introduces-new-upfront-plus-seating-guaranteed


So only a couple of Big front seats away from being just like Spirit.

“April bookings look good….Pilot shortage has ‘screeched to a halt”
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