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Old 07-11-2024, 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Stayontarget
These are two exclusive issues. Growth alone should counter the aircraft down since we will be getting a new bird every 9 days averaged out.


Also incorrect.
In 2024- 2 320CEOs are slated to retire as they hit the 12 year lease mark. 6 320NEOs are hitting the 8 year lease mark and retirement. I expect most if not all of those NEOs to be extended so that we only retire 2 aircraft next year.

2025 - 18 320NEOs hit the 8 year lease mark. 2 321CEOs do. I expect again all or most leases to be extended to 12 years. I currently expect 0 retirements in 2025.


All data is sourced through our company page under the maintenance tab.
From recurrent a few months back all 8 year leases have been extended to 12.
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Old 07-11-2024, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590
From recurrent a few months back all 8 year leases have been extended to 12.
I had talked to CD a month ago and knew they were trying to. Good to hear if true. That means we are going to grow very very fast.
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Old 07-11-2024, 09:07 AM
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All data is sourced through our company page under the maintenance tab.
I got a random hair to look at our myfrontier mx page.... morning report hasn't been updated in almost 10 years.... I thought our flight ops page was bad, but yikes....
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Old 07-11-2024, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Stayontarget
I had talked to CD a month ago and knew they were trying to. Good to hear if true. That means we are going to grow very very fast.
You're probably right about the trying, I should have said intended instead of them being signed. Our "plan" was not to return a single A/C until 2027.

One thing I have to give this place credit for is how they plan leases.
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Old 07-11-2024, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590
You're probably right about the trying, I should have said intended instead of them being signed. Our "plan" was not to return a single A/C until 2027.

One thing I have to give this place credit for is how they plan leases.
Ah. Understood
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Old 07-11-2024, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Stayontarget
These are two exclusive issues. Growth alone should counter the aircraft down since we will be getting a new bird every 9 days averaged out.


Also incorrect.
In 2025- 2 320CEOs are slated to retire as they hit the 12 year lease mark. 6 320NEOs are hitting the 8 year lease mark and retirement. I expect most if not all of those NEOs to be extended so that we only retire 2 aircraft next year.

2026 - 18 320NEOs hit the 8 year lease mark. 2 321CEOs do. I expect again all or most leases to be extended to 12 years. I currently expect 0 retirements in 2025.


All data is sourced through our company page under the maintenance tab.
-corrected the year-
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Old 08-08-2024, 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Stayontarget
These are two exclusive issues. Growth alone should counter the aircraft down since we will be getting a new bird every 9 days averaged out.


Also incorrect.
In 2024- 2 320CEOs are slated to retire as they hit the 12 year lease mark. 6 320NEOs are hitting the 8 year lease mark and retirement. I expect most if not all of those NEOs to be extended so that we only retire 2 aircraft next year.

2025 - 18 320NEOs hit the 8 year lease mark. 2 321CEOs do. I expect again all or most leases to be extended to 12 years. I currently expect 0 retirements in 2025.


All data is sourced through our company page under the maintenance tab.
This will be important to watch with the 50% reduction in aircraft intake next year. 21 is a good number, if it's for growth.
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Old 08-08-2024, 06:54 AM
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This will be important to watch with the 50% reduction in aircraft intake next year. 21 is a good number, if it's for growth.
My years were input incorrect in that post BTW.

Should have been 2025 and 2026 but it was too late to correct before I realized it.


I’ll look forward to what they say about it on the call, if anything.
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Old 08-08-2024, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by LifetimeCFI
This will be important to watch with the 50% reduction in aircraft intake next year. 21 is a good number, if it's for growth.

“We’ll have roughly the same number of aircraft next year as we have this year. As an example.”

- Barry Biffle talking deliveries and Sale and lease backs.


of the 21 deliveries.
7 would be 320s

14 would be 321s


What he doesn’t specifically say is if that’s growth or replacing the aircraft. Is he referring to the same number of aircraft in total. Or in terms of deliveries meaning growth deliveries same amount. Tbh. The way it sounded to me was we aren’t growing just replacing A/C except maybe one or two planes.



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