Earnings Call October 25 / Predictions ?
11-09-2023, 03:00 PM
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Imagine if a F9 CA in PHX, PHL, MIA, DFW and ORD get awarded AA CA in one of those bases on drop night - or within a couple of months. Then, fly for 350 hours as an FO but start receiving CA pay in the right seat. Then, upgrade at 500 hours. All while living in base.
11-09-2023, 05:30 PM
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Offer CA upgrades in initial FO training.
Imagine if a F9 CA in PHX, PHL, MIA, DFW and ORD get awarded AA CA in one of those bases on drop night - or within a couple of months. Then, fly for 350 hours as an FO but start receiving CA pay in the right seat. Then, upgrade at 500 hours. All while living in base.
Imagine if a F9 CA in PHX, PHL, MIA, DFW and ORD get awarded AA CA in one of those bases on drop night - or within a couple of months. Then, fly for 350 hours as an FO but start receiving CA pay in the right seat. Then, upgrade at 500 hours. All while living in base.
11-09-2023, 05:48 PM
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UA has tons of unbid CA slots. Just wondering when/if AA will get them.
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11-09-2023, 06:28 PM
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We are NOT moving to east coast operations (and I'm sure whoever mentioned that was joking). We may be more east coast focused w/ our flying but HQ and the decision making will stay in Den. And that "focus" will last only as long as it takes for BB/BL to change their minds.
Having mentioned that, this operation is doing whatever the C suite peeps deem as necessary for the next 2-5 months. I have my thoughts about what that is but what is being said (as will ALWAYS be the case) by the HQ is something to appease stockholders. If we all "follow the money", I'd suggest this operation is not doing well on purpose. Yes, on purpose. There are theories - most of which are far fetched and silly but the way we are operating right now makes no common sense. You have to WORK at being this bad.
It's a dangerous game being played, especially for Denver pilots, given the new LOA from UA making the pay cut for CAs to go to United about 6 months. Last initial FO UA class had 7 73 CA slots offered - some of those slots were DEN. It might even be something the Vegas guys look at w/ a short/easier commute to SF. I'd expect AA to do something similiar and if they do, there will be much more attrition for obvious reasons.
Interesting times in 2024...
Having mentioned that, this operation is doing whatever the C suite peeps deem as necessary for the next 2-5 months. I have my thoughts about what that is but what is being said (as will ALWAYS be the case) by the HQ is something to appease stockholders. If we all "follow the money", I'd suggest this operation is not doing well on purpose. Yes, on purpose. There are theories - most of which are far fetched and silly but the way we are operating right now makes no common sense. You have to WORK at being this bad.
It's a dangerous game being played, especially for Denver pilots, given the new LOA from UA making the pay cut for CAs to go to United about 6 months. Last initial FO UA class had 7 73 CA slots offered - some of those slots were DEN. It might even be something the Vegas guys look at w/ a short/easier commute to SF. I'd expect AA to do something similiar and if they do, there will be much more attrition for obvious reasons.
Interesting times in 2024...
11-12-2023, 07:48 AM
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Below is the latest UA vacancy bid...
2nd year CA pay is 300+ over there...
New vacancy bid out with:
EWR 787 Cap 10
EWR 756 Cap 20
DEN 737 Cap 50
EWR 737 Cap 100
MCO 737 Cap 15
ORD 737 Cap 50
SFO 737 Cap 75
Den 320 Cap 20
Ord 320 Cap 10
EWR 756 FO 30
DEN 737 FO 25
EWR 737 FO 100
IAH 737 FO 50
LAS 737 FO 6
MCO 737 FO 15
ORD 737 FO 60
SFO 737 FO 75
Den 320 FO 20
IAH 320 FO 10
ORD 320 FO 10
Going to be a bunch of unfilled Captain assignments again.
EWR 787 Cap 10
EWR 756 Cap 20
DEN 737 Cap 50
EWR 737 Cap 100
MCO 737 Cap 15
ORD 737 Cap 50
SFO 737 Cap 75
Den 320 Cap 20
Ord 320 Cap 10
EWR 756 FO 30
DEN 737 FO 25
EWR 737 FO 100
IAH 737 FO 50
LAS 737 FO 6
MCO 737 FO 15
ORD 737 FO 60
SFO 737 FO 75
Den 320 FO 20
IAH 320 FO 10
ORD 320 FO 10
Going to be a bunch of unfilled Captain assignments again.
11-12-2023, 09:34 AM
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If NB captain isn’t someone’s jam, 2nd year widebody FO would be over 221/hr. By year three WB FO pay would exceed 12 year F9 captain pay.
11-12-2023, 10:53 AM
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Negative. By the time a new hire today hits the 3rd year pay scale, widebody FO pay would be $269.38 for 787, 777, A330, and A350, not including international override of 5/hr.
The 2nd year captain rate posted above was for the smallest currently operated narrowbodies (319 / 737-700).
To your comment - A380 hourly rate for 3rd year FO would be $378.84.
The 2nd year captain rate posted above was for the smallest currently operated narrowbodies (319 / 737-700).
To your comment - A380 hourly rate for 3rd year FO would be $378.84.
11-12-2023, 11:20 AM
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Negative. By the time a new hire today hits the 3rd year pay scale, widebody FO pay would be $269.38 for 787, 777, A330, and A350, not including international override of 5/hr.
The 2nd year captain rate posted above was for the smallest currently operated narrowbodies (319 / 737-700).
To your comment - A380 hourly rate for 3rd year FO would be $378.84.
The 2nd year captain rate posted above was for the smallest currently operated narrowbodies (319 / 737-700).
To your comment - A380 hourly rate for 3rd year FO would be $378.84.
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