Aero1900

That's fair.

While I think us getting to an actual strike is unlikely, Frontier is one of the airlines that could. I totally agree that the big 3 plus Luv would almost certainly never be allowed. But we represent such a tiny fraction of the entire industry.

Hedley

There are a bunch of hoops to jump through between a strike vote and an actual strike. It's a very important first step, but being released into self help is a long way away. Hope you guys get something worked out before then.

av8nallday

It has been mentioned before so I will just echo it. We will not be released to strike. It’s a vote of unity. It’s important to stand together but we aren’t going to be released. This is the same old crap that happened last contract (company dragging there feet not doing anything). We will probably not see something until about a year out from the legacies opening again for negotiations. We have for now lost our leverage of everyone hiring like they were. If they were hiring I believe we’d be much farther along. Because with the day turn model people are fed up with it and would leave if they had the opportunity. Now that goes to say not everyone is fed up but a lot are. Not to mention with all these base openings and the grand shuffle to those bases our QOL has been destroyed from what it once was. Take away the one okish thing we had with QOL and throw in day turns people would jet out the door. But since hiring has stopped we are apart of this company experiment, lost leverage and are sitting ducks for a new CBA.

BobSacamano

The reality on the line is that for every person who b*tches incessantly about day turns and how they are the devil, there’s another person who lives in base and has decided to stick it out here because it’s hard to beat sleeping in your own bed every night.

But yeah, we seem to be in some sort of a gray area between a pilot-friendly cycle and the opposite. How far along we are into that spectrum, time will tell. One thing is for sure - it ain’t 2022.

Stayontarget

The day turn model and the new bases have worked really well for some people. I’m one of the lucky ones. But I would still like a contractual limit on % day trips for my friends. And I still have many friends that would like yet more bases where they live. I can see both sides of the argument on the base issue.

LifetimeCFI

As someone with a desire to fly 3+ day trips, I don't really mind the day trips model, in all honestly. I mean it is what it is, these things change with the winds. I just hope that the number of multi-day trips goes up (it seems to be...slowly), even if the percentage isn't skyrocketing back in favor of 2-4 day trips.

The base issues should be handled better though. There should be limitations on how many displacements can occur or something to force them to better plan and allocate new hires to these locations. I'm actually enjoying my time in PR. Won't be forever for me but it's honestly a great base if you're not tied to a family elsewhere.

Speaking of SJU.. Hope we get rid of the duty period min and replace it with a min daily credit. These 3 days out of SJU crediting 11 hours are no bueno.

spooldup

I love my day turns and being home every night, that being said, I also enjoy EFFICIENT, 2-3 days.

Wait until you see the 3 day 10hr redeyes.... more insane than 11hrs or my personal favorite, the 11hr 3 day with a 25hr layover

madmax757

I love those when on reserve. Super easy peasy and kills 3’days of reserve vs some other 💩 trip. But if that’s your line, yes a waste of time

LifetimeCFI

I mean that's virtually what SJU gets with JFK and Newark. A ton of 25-30 hour layovers on a "3 day" that credits 11.

The only reason they get away with that is because our contract is min duty period. If it touches a day, it should pay accordingly.

Stayontarget

They can probably just change to a later departure time after midnight so the net gain will be nothing. That issue has been high on the list so the change is probably coming in the next contract but I don’t think it will be as rewarding as we all hope.