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Old 08-27-2024, 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by AutoBrksMedium
What lending institutions is F9 making lease payments to? Who holds the leases?
We have numerous different agreements. Not sure how many different ones but I think maybe 5 or so.
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Originally Posted by AutoBrksMedium
What lending institutions is F9 making lease payments to? Who holds the leases?


https://simpleflying.com/frontier-airlines-sale-lease-back-deal-15-airbus-a320neo-boc-aviation/



bank of China for the next 15
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Old 08-27-2024, 07:28 AM
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ultimately, the financial decisions made by management will be, or currently are, reflected in the stock price.
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Old 08-27-2024, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by fivebyfive
They are already worn down. In the heat of contentious contract negotiations, the main concern of F9 pilots is bots and being robbed of OT. You wouldn't see that sort of prioritizing on the legacy side. In reality, you deserve to be at the bottom where you are the most comfortable.
I disagree, the bots issue is a small step. but one of meaningful progress. What is most concerning to me is the trouble we are having fixing it ,and the poor forsight of the union reps who negotiated it in the first place.

It's a huge concern around here because the bots are so ubiquitous and the enforcement is non existint. It results in some pilots working scheduales composed of only premium trips and many pilots working garbage scheduales from our garbage lines composed of dayturn on holidays ,redeyes and weekends ,or trips with an out base 24 hr layover. This is a good place to start.
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Old 08-27-2024, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by hercretired
thanks for the positive energy
We need to stop hoping positive energy will get us a contract.

Having realistic expectations ,disciplined stragety and pressure for our reps to preform is the only way forward from here.

There needs to constant pressure to get things done. If things are not happening there is a line of pilots around the block to take those postions
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Old 08-27-2024, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ginntonic
SLBs do affect profits, albeit indirectly.

The way F9 treats their SLB's as gains within other OE effectively reduces overall OE. Less OE = higher operating income which flows to net.

Still, I don't discount the overall point of your post.
But you are discounting the overall point, the SLB's have absolutely nothing to do with the OE. Zero. Nada. Nunca. Zilch. The SLB's do not equal higher operating income which flows to net because the SLB's are added AFTER NET. Read slower...SLB's are not revenue. SLB's are not revenue. SLB's are not baked into NET. If F9 has a zero net income quarter and they have an SLB that additional cash is added to the cash on hand, NOT net income. The net would still be zero. HF people this isn't differential equations this is 1+1=2.
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arguably the Sale Lease Back "operation" is not even to be considered part of the airline operation.
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Old 08-27-2024, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
We have numerous different agreements. Not sure how many different ones but I think maybe 5 or so.
So, how does indigo make money again on an investment that breaks even or loses money?
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Old 08-27-2024, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by AutoBrksMedium
So, how does indigo make money again on an investment that breaks even or loses money?
Indigo or Frontier? Frontier owns the order book. Indigo (recently changed to specific personnel within indigo) own most of the airline. Could you be more specific with your question or give an example of what you think is happening to help clear up any confusion?
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Old 08-27-2024, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Stayontarget
Indigo or Frontier? Frontier owns the order book. Indigo (recently changed to specific personnel within indigo) own most of the airline. Could you be more specific with your question or give an example of what you think is happening to help clear up any confusion?
Its my understanding that indigo partners owns frontier as part of its investment portfolio. How does indigo make money off of their investment when F9 frankly sucks at making money? Why doesn't indigo drop us like a hot potato? I always here "trust me indigo makes plenty of money." How are they making money?
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